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Avraham Schneider wrote: > yeah, yeah... I know it's painful to hear the truth. > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > yeah, yeah.. > > Avraham Schneider wrote: > > >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > >> Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway. >> Religion is an excuse to dominate >> simple minds. > >>> At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish > ancestry >>> have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all > individual >>> recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% > of all >>> US recipients2 during the same period. In the scientific research >>> fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the > corresponding >>> world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews > currently >>> make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of > the US >>> population.) > >>> Considering Jews are testifying to the existence of G-d - I would > say it >>> is hard to make your claim under these results... > > > >> Avraham Schneider wrote: > > >>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> >> wrote: > >>> Avraham, > >>> With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language > >>> I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many >> years, but >>> does that mean they have to own the whole land now? > >>> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it >> back - so >>> yes, they have the right for the whole land now. > > >>> I think this just give them the right to live and own their > lands, >>> without denying the same right >>> for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for >>> thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of >> the states. > >>> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years. >>> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, > proof >>> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset >> members). >>> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there - >> they >>> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the >>> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that >>> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be >>> defeated - something that did not happen. >>> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later >>> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder >>> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs? > > > >>> There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem > with >>> Jewish, >>> they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when > Muslims >>> control >>> the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary >> to what >>> Europe >>> did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with >> Palestinians. > >>> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for >> genocide of >>> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian > Authority >>> TV, on March 30, 2007: > >>> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims >> fight the >>> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will >> say: Oh, >>> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!' > >>> I think that proves you wrong. > > > >>> The Idea is to live and let others live as well. > >>> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the >> land the >>> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace. >>> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian >>> population that support the terrorists firing them. > > > >>> Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you >>> agree with >>> aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own >> the power >>> should kill every one before they have the same power. >>> I'm surprised from your idea. > >>> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would >> accept the >>> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population. >>> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government >> by 90% >>> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the >>> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego. >>> How do you think the U.S. would react? >>> How do you expect the U.S. to react? > > > >>> So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't >>> kill all >>> Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and >> they had the >>> chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we >>> believe that >>> we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless > their >>> religion, >>> color, origin ...etc > >>> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not >> convert >>> - they didn't succeed but they tried. > > > >>> The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so >> don't >>> built >>> the hate or you are going to pay for it. > >>> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires >> rise and >>> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice >> prevails. > > > > >>> Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be >> changed. > >>> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening... >>> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid. > > > >>> But we will never change our idea. > >>> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr. >>> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the >>> world has to deal with. > > > > >>> Brgds...Alaa > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > - -- Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman Independent Linux and Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG - OWASP http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/eng.html Mailing List Archives at http://archiver.mailfighter.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJYN71AlpOsGhXcE0RCsdLAJ4trjtfPat3di1IF6YnSRe41MS+pgCfTZpD eDrLqdShltXOIUlyKIAGl8A= =Ku09 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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