if the facts I show you are porpaganda, what would you call your lies?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM, j-f sentier <[email protected]> wrote: > Avraham, dude you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some thermo-pump > or something > you've big skill in selling/propaganda :) > > 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider <[email protected]> >> >> The basic facts: >> >> * Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians. The >> number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by >> Israel is precisely zero. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been >> trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom >> unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and in >> their mosques. >> * Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate >> humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while >> Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60 >> truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were >> transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of >> Gaza's electricity. >> * Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has >> indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population >> centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone. >> * Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching >> pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years. >> * Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and >> launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian population >> centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line of >> fire. >> * No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its >> civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the >> border. >> * If American civilians would have become targets to such terror >> attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would respond >> very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown >> restraint to date. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name. >> > >> >> Larry Seltzer >> >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor >> > >> > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step >> > in and say something. >> > >> > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian >> > people. >> > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today >> > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made >> > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt. >> > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the >> > British Mandate in 1920. The region referred to as "Palestine" in >> > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan, >> > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries. Until 1920, there >> > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country. >> > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians. >> > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent >> > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't >> > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians). In 1947, the UN approved >> > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab. In 1948, >> > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself >> > "Israel". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel: >> > >> > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly >> > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government >> > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was >> > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51] >> > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan >> > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, >> > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. >> > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus >> > separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its >> > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab >> > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947 >> > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab >> > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these >> > attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations >> > with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to >> > escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy >> > of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic >> > subversion and psychological warfare.[55] >> > >> > On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the >> > Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The >> > following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and >> > Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56] >> > Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist the >> > invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and >> > temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. Jordan >> > annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and >> > Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a member >> > of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000 >> > Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the previous Arab >> > population, fled the country.[58] The fate of the Palestinian refugees >> > today is a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian >> > conflict.[59][60] >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
