Boring? Amusing more likely. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:53 AM, McGhee, Eddie <[email protected]> wrote:
> Come on mate seriously its getting boring, if any serious security threats > are out there then drop the info and man up, stop with the bullshit of > making netdev a poor internet meme, because that's all it is.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of intel unit > Sent: 01 March 2010 08:06 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring n3td3v's 0days > and commenting. > Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech who knows > Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly samwich amirite? > > > Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk? > > We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although there have > been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us. > > For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to ask, is > banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability? > > Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to the > public for over a year now. > > We don't have anywhere we can post information. > > Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security & intelligence > groups in the UK from posting? > > We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where there are > plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list, but no actual > intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been researching or anything > like that. > > A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security professionals in > jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v group, banned from making > announcements relating to national security matters. > > A whole year of no information getting out to the security industry about > the vulnerabilities in national security and other research that we've been > getting upto. > > None of that has been post, its all been supressed. > > By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the largest > security groups in the United Kingdom. > > We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the wrong, we > only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group from people who were > obviously wanting an argument. > > We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious about > security & intelligence. > > We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to be > treated like that. > > It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a risk to > national security. > > Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on the > mailing list. > > And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an organisation > as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list, its a risk to national > security. > > We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the mailing list > we've been banned from, and we don't give out any signals intelligence about > what we are getting upto, we're very careful about that. > > The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and intelligence > group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing list and reading our > emails. > > Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000 and more > researchers, security consultants and many others. > > Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national security > issue? Of course it is. > > National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain at > risk... because the information flow has been cut off. > > Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man will need > to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright. > > He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on purpose, > I don't think he cares about national security. > > Can he live with himself? > > We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year, we've > held security conferences with our members and other stuff and remain > frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating with the security > industry. > > Yours faithfully, > > n3td3v security > & intelligence group > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Charset: UTF8 > Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify > Version: Hush 3.0 > > wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLdX8ACgkQwGoky+I7EouDgAP5AUjZ2+mKCx4dduWJlNWgAN8IwnkL > PqokbvRhGDeHoWCBWeTjqoYxh49Z2fzA4EIcrtmL7miGfXicLHWJyBoSriMUFL97IYe3 > hAziWzbIanVTbqftrz1ayRVx0k3vdu/5Hwocda6lCmgivdLjWhrL0UaKby3LQbc1nBqB > mCK69YQ= > =xM2C > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >
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