I can see both points but what I understood is that the hacking community of the days in which people hacked hardware and wrote software which made it work better was what Ladnah referred to?
e.g. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409# And I also agree with Christian in that I don't want my identity stolen for any ones sake, or learning purposes.. However we do need to take a step back and realize that as human beings are relying way to much on technology which we know is far from perfect. To add to Ladnah's point I think we should hold the Software companies responsible for if a weakness in their software allows an intruder to steal my identity which ultimately leads to emotional distress. I think adequate compensation would be justified. Quoting Christian Sciberras <[email protected]>: > Disillusioning oneself about freedom is getting old. You see, your > (proposed) perception of freedom is nothing less then the result of what you > call oppression. > Since nowadays a call-to-arms is as easy as calling the local news agency, I > very much doubt the randomness ("freedom") of your choice - ie; you got hurt > and tried crying in the hope of something positive happens. > > As to "real computer research", please define or specify what you mean by > broad statements. I would assume that by "real computer research <snip> [by] > youths" you mean a "clan" which shares "cheats" on how to get into systems - > hardly professional, and what today many are labeling as "script kiddy > stuff". > > There's a reason why they're "demonizing" [this behavior], which is because > it doesn't help at all. > Let's compare getting into some system as the same as getting into a bank > vault. > You could ask a bank to simulate a robbery and at the very least, return > what you stole. > Happens those "youth hackers" don't return what they stole. > > For instance, do I really need to print 2k pages of emails for proving a > vulnerability? > We're talking about a freakin 2000 pages worth of emails. The affected > company can't trust the hackers even if it wanted. > But wait a second, we're talking about underground hackers which would share > emails but not divulge it. OK. Right. > > Lastly, as I already said, an illegal activity doesn't give me the right to > commit a (possibly) even worse one. > So as a hacker do I get the right to sell and make use of illegal drugs? > > Case closed. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Iadnah Enoch <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Perhaps we should be looking at/analysing the corruption, flaws, etc. in >> the legal systems of various countries instead of gloating about various >> people who are probably not malicious individuals being slammed by the >> system. This sort of community used to be about freedoms, counter-culture, >> and that sort of thing. Have we all forgotten our heritage? >> >> Real computer security research of any sort is being demonized in the West >> to the point that fewer and fewer youths are exploring it like they used to. >> This is creating a very large deficit in our intellectual culture that puts >> Western soceity at a serious disadvantage to the rest of the world, >> especially with the hacktivism and general hacker interest that seems to be >> proliferating in the Muslim world, the Eastern Block, and China. >> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Benji <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Same thing? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 25 Jun 2010, at 08:34, Ed Carp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Auernheimer was also arrested in March for giving a false name to law >>> enforcement officers responding to a parking complaint. >>> >>> Idiot. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad, probably mobile >>> >>> On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Christian Sciberras < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Riiiight. Who do you think would buy/bite that? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Escher Auernheimer >>> <<[email protected]><[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Rejoice in a righteous man's persecution at your peril. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, T Biehn < >>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ouch dude: >>>>> <http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html><http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html> >>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html >>>>> >>>>> Guess you ate a dick too. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Byron Sonne < >>>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]> >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > Looks like Andrew/weev/n3td3v finally gets to do what he likes the >>>>>> most >>>>>> > Performing fellatio on his fellow inmates >>>>>> > >>>>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/><http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/> >>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh man, pretty sweet! I've been waiting years to see weev eat a dick, >>>>>> and the time has come at last. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe there is a god. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Byron L. 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