On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:15:02 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said: >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ferenc Kovacs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > As I mentioned before it is hard to expect that a VPN provider will >> > risk his company for your $11.52/month, and maybe they would try it >> > for some lesser case, but what Lulsec did was grant, so I'm not >> > surprised that they bent. >> >> "Alleged" > > Yes. So? In most jurisdictions, "alledged" and "probable cause" is sufficient > to get a court to sign off on a subpoena and/or warrants. > > "Dear Judge: On Aug 23, a hacker using the handle "JustFellOutOfTree" did > violate Section N, Clause X.Y of the criminal code by hacking into > BigStore.com. The connection was traced back to the provider VPNs-R-Us. We > would like a court order requesting VPNs-R-Us to provide any and all > information they may have regarding this user". > > That will usually do it (after bulked up to about 3 pages with legalese and > dotting the t's and crossing the i's). > > The next morning, the manager at VPNs-R-Us gets to his office, and finds > two guys with guns and a signed piece of paper. At which point one of two > things will happen: > > 1) the guy rolls and gives up all the info. > 2) the guy calls his lawyer and makes sure that he gives up all the required > info, > and not one byte more. > > (Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge - happens so > rarely that it's basically a hypothetical). Good point. Bush, Cheney, and other top administration officials were indicted in Spain on alleged war crimes. That the administration defend its position on torture, I would view it as a tacit admission (and drop the 'alleged'). When do you think justice will be served upon them?
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