On 10/4/2011 10:10 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:15:02 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said: >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ferenc Kovacs <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> As I mentioned before it is hard to expect that a VPN provider will >>>> risk his company for your $11.52/month, and maybe they would try it >>>> for some lesser case, but what Lulsec did was grant, so I'm not >>>> surprised that they bent. >>> "Alleged" >> Yes. So? In most jurisdictions, "alledged" and "probable cause" is >> sufficient >> to get a court to sign off on a subpoena and/or warrants. >> >> "Dear Judge: On Aug 23, a hacker using the handle "JustFellOutOfTree" did >> violate Section N, Clause X.Y of the criminal code by hacking into >> BigStore.com. The connection was traced back to the provider VPNs-R-Us. We >> would like a court order requesting VPNs-R-Us to provide any and all >> information they may have regarding this user". >> >> That will usually do it (after bulked up to about 3 pages with legalese and >> dotting the t's and crossing the i's). >> >> The next morning, the manager at VPNs-R-Us gets to his office, and finds >> two guys with guns and a signed piece of paper. At which point one of two >> things will happen: >> >> 1) the guy rolls and gives up all the info. >> 2) the guy calls his lawyer and makes sure that he gives up all the required >> info, >> and not one byte more. >> >> (Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge - happens so >> rarely that it's basically a hypothetical). > Good point. Bush, Cheney, and other top administration officials were > indicted in Spain on alleged war crimes. That the administration > defend its position on torture, I would view it as a tacit admission > (and drop the 'alleged'). When do you think justice will be served > upon them? > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ Yes do *taunt* the 99% that's a good plan </sarcasm>
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