On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ben Tyson-Norrman wrote: > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:11:07 +0100 > From: Ben Tyson-Norrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm > > As I started this one - can I put a stop to it... > > What was it I read the other day, if you call someone a Nazi then officially > that's the end of the thread... > > Okay I'm going to call me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], erstwhile postee in html, > user of Windows 2000 (and BSD and Linux and Solaris, before you start), > sending email via Exchange which attaches a crappy disclaimer - a complete > and utter Nazi.... >
Ahhh, you refer to Godwins Law, (Godwin's Rule) Any off-topic mention of Hitler or Nazis will bring the thread it is mentioned in to an irrelevant and off-topic end very soon; every thread on UseNet has a constantly-increasing probability to contain such a mention. However, Quirk's Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called "Nazi Clause" is ineffectual. (net.legends faq) And so this worthless thread continues... Eddie > Yes I've done it - I've called someone a Nazi.... so now we have to start a > new thread and post at least 3 bits of useful information before we can > revert to abuse, slander, mis-reading of posts, mis-understanding of posts, > not trying to hear what the person is saying in voice- rather than just > reading the words and generally taking our stress out on everyone else (who > for the most parts should be our allies).. > > What I've learnt is.... > ZA is okay for homeusers - there are no desperately obvious holes. > There are other alternatives - I use one of the others at home (not that you > care) - but the person who asked the question of me (who is fairly > technical), is probably doing the best he can. > The negative comments I have seen, viz :- (snip from some or other list) > <<zone alarm (which contrary to popular belief is not a real firewall and a > joke in the IT community as a whole)>> is empty posturing as usual, but then > the same goes for everything else (there are a lot of "experts" out > there...) > > May your evenings (days, morning or nights - depending on your timezone) be > blessed with happyness... > > Personally I'm going home to get a beer or two.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 June 2003 16:13 > To: 'Shawn McMahon'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm > > > This is a lame basis for your argument. You provide 2 > vulnerabilities that > are old. Everything has vulnerabilities, I will not waste my > time search ZA > for one, it's in there, it's a proven statistic. Now, explain to me how > having one of your uninformed users make a decision for every > app that wants > to access the internet is better than plugging a router in and > being done > for the most part. Which is easier? Right, the router is easier > because they > just plug it in and go. You would have us believe that these > "inept" users > WITHOUT ANY computer person are going to be smart enough to > FIND zone alarm, > INSTALL it, CONFIGURE it, and then decide each time anything > wants to hit > the net. Please, spend 30 more seconds and show me some CURRENT > vulnerabilities. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Shawn McMahon > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm > > > On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:35:05PM -0700, morning_wood said: > > > > Theres nowhere for the packets to go.. and please, when was > the last time > > anyone here had to flash a personal style router / switch > > within the past 2 years... dont go esoteric on us now.. > > Perhaps you should read security bulletins more often. > > http://www.idefense.com/advisory/10.31.02a.txt > http://www.opennet.ru/base/netsoft/993631863_204.txt.html > > That's just two. Should I spend another 30 seconds searching and get > you some more? > > Or are you going to argue that Linksys and Netgear are "esoteric"? > > > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
