Yup. I do it all the time.
Management is simply not interested in providing a test network. I can't even seem to scrounge a couple of desktop-class machines most of the time. It's pathetic, but it's the way that many companies operate. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harlan Carvey Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 08:38 To: Full-Disclosure Cc: Clint Bodungen Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Calcuating Loss Clint... Two words..."testing process". What happened to that? Don't tell me you're installing patches directly to production systems... --- Clint Bodungen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about when Micro$oft releases a bundled patch > (cough cough MS04-011) to > fix several bugs and security holes (supposedly to > help "minimize loss" from > these bugs and worms) only to find out that the > patch itself has broken just > as many services as it fixed, taking down one's > server for a few hours, > causing yet... more loss! ;-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Loss? > > > > One of my biggest complaints is the way the > industry "loses billions" > > whenever a virus or worm breaks out. > > > > I mean, securing and maintain your server is not a > loss. Installing and > > updating your anti virus or IDS package is not a > loss. All of these > > things should have been done anyway. > > > > If a server goes off line, I guess you could > measure the revenue it may > > have produced as a loss, but technically, that is > lack of income, not > > true loss. > > > > If you see someone complaining about all the money > they lost doing what > > they should have been doing all along, I just see > spin. And politics. > > > > M > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
