> Are you trying to be ironic (sorry you appear to be > American) Am from Asia, so u loose the rest of argument... Happens with Brits I say, ugh pathetic humor...puke!
by assaulting > the so called regurgitated security seminars > packaged as courses, by > mutilating what was (and is) a seminal piece of > thought published by the > Mentor when you were still in nappies (or are they > diapers)? > > Is this a subtle troll to start us all off again on > the useless and > bandwidth wasting arguments between Bill Gates > Buddies and Unix Zealots? > Could your time be better spent developing > understanding both within and > without regarding the true state of the security > surface, rather than > regaling us with the IT boy band equivalent of a > cover version (same tune, > same sort of words, but only pre-pubescent girls are > swooning with rapturous > delight at your polysyllabic verbosity). > > The Hackers Manifesto, Reloaded. Yeah, with blanks! > > Please save your bragging for your ICQ buddies > > Apologies to the rest of the list for cluttering the > space and raising the > noise surface. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of James Tucker > Sent: 04 September 2004 00:24 > To: the entrepreneur > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] The Hacker's > Manifesto Reloaded > > Lollery. > > > On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT), the > entrepreneur > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > James, > > A nice manifesto indeed. But it no way does it > > correlates to the one which I have written (or > > probably modified). Maybe the sarcasm is not > > noticeable, maybe you missed it, maybe because we > are > > different people altogether. > > Well, I am here because I am anti-authoritative, a > > negated personality (I hate to call it that > because > > the fundamental idea of it's emergence was this > growth > > of negative activity, this was root for pete's > sake!). > > Maybe you supressed your impulses, or are > vehementaly > > denying it. > > Well its snonymous to rap songs, they are violent, > > they are bad, but we listen, with that fetish look > in > > eyes. Maybe you listen to it too or maybe not, but > > there always one vantage point where you blow your > > steam, about your very inner conscience. > > My conscience was the conscinence of this > Manifesto, > > it manifests, the "hummm..." sound some people > will do > > when they read it. It's for them. > > If not for them, lest it's for me. > > EULA might not cover it (how can you miss the pun > > there ?), but the First Amendment will. hehe. > > > > Am I spared? > > > > -Regards > > The Entrepreneur > > --- James Tucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > A short piece of food for thought for all you > > > hackers out there. This > > > is not an attack on your livelihood this is > merely a > > > point for your > > > consideration. > > > > > > It (the manifesto) does not explain why this > > > information is relevant > > > for me to read. or maybe I am unable to > understand > > > the part that does, > > > if so please teach this willing student. > > > > > > Your manifesto seems largely similar to those > > > written by many others. > > > The attacks upon the security industry (which is > > > required, whether the > > > techs are good or not is a different matter) are > > > largely unqualified. > > > Please do not forget that businesses are formed > due > > > to the needs of > > > other businesses or people and they serve > others, > > > this leads in a > > > chain like manner back to the industries you > would > > > choose not to > > > attack. > > > > > > Tell me how would you feel if you successfully > stole > > > enough money that > > > you crashed an economy and power generation also > > > stopped. An unreal > > > scenario I know, but tone this back down to > reality, > > > and you realise > > > that the things you are using are also directly > > > related to the things > > > you are trashing. In essence you are destroying > your > > > own world. > > > > > > It is business that makes computers, it is power > > > that feeds the > > > factories, it is these peoples money that pays > the > > > employees. The > > > employees need health insurance if they want to > > > survive, hospitals > > > need their equipment, which in turn requires > design, > > > logistics for > > > movement of physical items. The logistics > companies > > > need ISP's for > > > their communications infrastructure, and banks > to > > > manage their money. > > > The trail goes on. Do you not realise that many > of > > > the places you > > > attack are merely part of the chain of business > > > which supports the > > > world that you love? > > > > > > A final point to further this, how far are you > > > willing to go in > > > causing people inconvenience? Every day people > > > commit suicide due to > > > stress caused to them in their business lives. > > > Shutting down > > > communications media, or any other business > could > > > have this effect (or > > > at least contribute). Even furthermore there are > > > situations where your > > > actions may more directly affect the safety of > > > individuals. Continuing > > > to do so may then be compared to attempted > murder. > > > Still think you > > > have any moral high ground? > > > > > > Finally the word manifesto means "a declaration > of > > > intent". I was > > > unable to see any intended actions stated. In > fact > > > what I read more > > > resembled a boast of money gained by actions > already > > > performed, and > > > insult of lesser hackers and security > professionals. > > > For someone who > > > should have a clear understanding of the need > for > > > accurate > > > understanding of language (most important when > the > > > language is dealt > > > with on a purely logical and explicit basis as > with > > > a computer system) > > > you seem to not care so much about the accuracy > of > > > your written > > > language. > > > > > > --- > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
