I find it amusing that people think having firearms somehow makes them capable of preventing government actions here in 'merica in this day and age.
But then, I guess there is only one way to find out if they could. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stian Øvrevåge Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:01 PM To: Brian Loe Cc: [email protected]; Daniel H. Renner Subject: Re: [funsec] Re: wow - is a "shadow" politician still a politician? On 8/30/07, Brian Loe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/30/07, Drsolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So, given that I can't stop people from becoming criminals, I rather like > > the idea of making it substantially more difficult for them to murder. > > Sure, if you could magically disappear all guns, people would still hit > > each other with bricks. But it's a lot harder to murder with a brick, than > > with a gun. > > 1) You have obviously never been hit over the head with a brick. > > 2) Lets say fewer guns DID reduce the murder rate (there's not a > single fact showing it, but this is for pretend purposes). Now, > instead of 4 million people murdered only 2 million are. Of those 2 > million dead, how many might you and your law be responsible for? As I > said, until this nirvana of zero guns is reached, innocent will die > without even the opportunity to defend themselves - which is morally > reprehensible. > _______________________________________________ > Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. > https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec > Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. > You are saying that currently, no single innocent person was ever killed by a gun in the US? How does me carry a gun prevent someone from killing me? I'd have to have a pretty quick draw to be able to retaliate after my opponent has already pulled the trigger. This whole thing reminds me of MAD, mutually assured destruction, which basically means something along the lines of, if you try to fuck me up I'll fuck you up too, guaranteed. It makes perfect sense. How come then we have dis-armament agreements and embargoes on countries we suspect are trying to achieve WMDs? Doesn't they have the same right to defend themselves against you as you have against them? And what the fuck is up with 70% of your arguments are about defending against your government? If your government is a fuckup, its your own fault, you voted for it. Instead of stacking up a shitload of guns maybe you should rather get in to politics. I'm also quite surprised that of all the freedom and gun-loving people you have over there ready to protect mankind against the evil government, you actually let your country turn into the police-state of the century while, well, I have no idea what you're all doing... -- Stian Øvrevåge _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
