Hi Kyle and all of the folks, I agree with you in most of the story but it's one thing I'd like to add. Personally I seriously doubt that Saakashvili would do a thing without a US command. And speaking of his hopes for a military help of NATO and US - well I suppose it's obvious right from the beginning that neither NATO nor US would start such kind of an assault which would be a WW3 opening no doubt. On the other hand, it was really a nice chance for United States along with Nato to see what's Russia is all about on the military frontier, and would Russia dare to answer Saakashvili in his way of solving problems... I personally suppose that US along with NATO military analytics got work for a couple of upcoming years during theese days.
If it goes about Estonia and others...I may add only a couple of things - it's not a russian hating country around here, not at all, it's an inadequate government and especially the heads of it: they somehow always try to find answers to their never ending problems in Russia and russians, theese are people unable to think logically the only thing driving them is some sort of anger on Russia and russians around here. People here mostly are friendly and do not care if you'r a russian, estonian, finnish or someone else. Who cares eventually ? Do you, for example, care if your friend or colleague is Spanish or Italian ? Same story here. Yes, there are people here who think that russians are the cause for them being so miserable, that russians, afroamericans, turks or arabs are in charge of them washing dishes in a tiny bar in the subourbs, or it's russians who are in charge that wives and children don't want to know them. But I personally think that all the countries have such people, and I'm pretty much concerned that Estonia doesn't have them more or less than Spain for example. It's just only one thing - it's a shame if your president is among them. And it's realy a shame. But if it concerns being assaulted - theese people are miserable and afraid on everything, they can of course beat women and children but they will never assault a man. Of course if it's less than 10 of them against 1 :) Actually Estonian president is the only thing I feel ashamed about as an Estonian citizen. just as a matter of commenting :) regards, Viktor > They sure did. Their media campaign was brutal and very effective at > twisting facts and spreading misinformation. It was one of the few > tools they had to rely on given the military force mismatch. Their > initial assumption about the western military support didn't work. > When they declared themselves our (US) ally and sent their troops to > Iraq they thought it guaranteed them military support from the US and > other NATO countries, but it didn't. Their only choice was to create a > media picture of how a young freedom loving democracy is being > destroyed by a big scary monster to rally international support, so it > could result in a military intervention. Even though the media > campaign was very effective especially here in the US where the > Georgian president's words would spread like fire across all major > media in the end it didn't have the desired effect. They managed to > rally only the Russia hating countries of Poland, Estonia, and Ukraine > (where in certain parts of their countries you'll be verbally abused > and even physically assaulted by simply speaking Russian language). > The western countries simply realized that it just wasn't worth to > start a World War 3 because Georia decided to borrow Serbia's playbook > on Kosovo. What's surprising is that even with this pro-Georgia > coverage here in the States quite a few Americans managed to see that > something just isn't right in that picture. Now... even though the > conflict is winding down the Georgian media campaign is far from over. > It's going into phase 2. Now that a number of radical groups of white > and Russian speaking people are arriving from Poland, Estonia, and > Ukraine they'll start staging Russian atrocities by dressing them in > Russian uniforms and doing god knows what and then conveniently having > media near by to document all that and then report it to the world. > This is not something from a movie... It's a pretty effective tactic > that's been used throughout history and we'll see it again... > literally. > > I don't agree with the article on the winner number one. It might be > more true in Europe, but here the story about the genocide against > South Ossetian people is heavily downplayed. The official statements > from our government shift the focus to other areas because they don't > want South Ossetia to be looked at as Kosovo. The president says that > "the response was disproportional", which means that there was a > legitimate reason to act, but Russia went too far. And then Rice goes > further implying that response wasn't even to protect South Ossetian > people, but it was to overthrow the Georgian government because to her > it didn't make sense why Russians would go after targets that are not > physically located withing South Ossetia (anybody who knows something > about military tactics or war in general knows that you don't just > block a punch and then do nothing assuming that the enemy will give > up; remember how Israel was shelled by rockets from Lebanon... the > attackers didn't even need to be located within Israel to attack > Israel; did Israel try to overthrow Lebanon's government when they > went after their attackers...). > > Either way, the story is not over and we'll hear and see a lot in the > coming days and months. Not all of it will be true, but it never is... > no matter who is involved. > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4518254.ece >> _______________________________________________ >> Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. >> https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec >> Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. >> > _______________________________________________ > Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. > https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec > Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. > > _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
