> From: Paul Ferguson <fergdawgs...@gmail.com>
> No that I have watched the 60 Minutes episode in question,
> I can't speak to
> the Energy Grid issues -- but I can speak to all of the
> other cyber crime issue mentioned.
> They are all true, even minimized.

I, too, was surprised by the low number. We've been involved in cases, with the 
FBI totaling more than $100-million so far this year. However, they succeed in 
unwinding most of the transactions, and recover most of the money, so I'm 
guessing that $100-million is money that was stolen but could not be recovered.

BTW, it's Russia and the Ukraine.

> If you think that they these sophisticated criminals cannot
> use the same
> techniques against ICS/SCADA infrstructire...

They can. I have. It's easy. I gave a presentation with (sanitized) results 
from hacking into the power grid:
http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-federal-06/BH-Fed-06-Maynor-Graham-up.pdf

The thing is, though, we are in far greater danger from accidental failures, or 
from the Chinese/AlQaeda strategically placing bombs on the grid. Yet, hackers 
are the least understood, and like witches, the most feared. Unethical 
journalism, like the 60 Minutes story, just stokes those irrational fears, 
which is unlikely to result in any rational outcome.


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