> And the main issue you have a problem with is bulk, right? Not really; that's just the point we disagree on. Solicited bulk I have no issues with.
> Please help me here with how an action taken by an individual user > typing in emails is bulk? I don't believe that's all that's going on here. Unless Facebook attracts people using MUAs with a "send to my entire address book and everything you can find in my mailbox" button and too little sense to realize when it's inappropriate to use it. >>> Gmail does it. Yahoo does it. CNN does it. >> I find it interesting that two of the three organizations you cite >> as justification for your position are ones I've had to block in >> toto because of blatant, egregious, and repeated abuse issues. >> Citing them in support of your argument is pretty close to an own >> goal, in my opinion. > They are not a justification, they are an illustrative example, see > above. Still seems like an own goal. They are very illustrative indeed - of how abusive a mailer can be. > And here is the point, was the abuse done by them, or by their users? By them. In the case of Yahoo, the final straw for me was once when I report4ed a spam drop-box webpage they were hosting; they replied with a "this mail wasn't sent through us" boilerplate, which of course was true but irrelevant. I wrote back pointing this out and get the same response. I cut everything - spam, previous correspondence, and all, and wrote a little two-line mail asking something like "is there anyone human alive ther?" and got THE SAME BLOODY BOILERPLATE BACK. > Removing of course the fact that Gmail hides IP addresses. Why removing that? That's the first strike against gmail: they make it impossible to, for example, refuse all webmail from INTELSAT-CUST-VIENNA-TECHNOLOGIES-NG (to name just one of the eight or so netblocks that I do not want any webmail from, ever) without refusing all gmail webmail. For a long time that's all I did - but then Google (through the Google Groups brand, but I see little point in drawing a distinction between one of Google's faces and another) started spamming me. I've got the full story up at ftp.rodents-montreal.org:/mouse/misc/google-block.txt. > Hey, it's not Facebook's fault nobody likes you enough to invite you. :P Heh. There's a Facebook group "campaign to get der Mouse on Facebook" or some such. I get their stuff through mailing lists and occasionally to alternative addresses such as my netbsd.org one. I don't know why I don't get their spam direct; maybe back when I was still bothering to complain about spam I sent them a complaint and they added me to their remove-list? I don't find their "please sign up" line in any of my saved "spam and spam complaints" mail, which makes that unlikely (I generally save complained-about spam, and the complaints, there), but I also can't account for it any other way - I looked for any reason to think my private blocking mechanisms were responsible and found none. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
