This is all very true, pay special attention to Erik's email.
Also, whereas java kind of comes with a coding methodology (OO), cf 
doesn't.  this is where fusebox comes in.  You can slap some sh*t together 
without it, but if you want "developer scalability" like that gigabeat 
email mentions, you need fusebox and fuseDocs.

At 06:40 AM 5/11/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Adam,
>
>That's a common misconception out there, at least I've seen it many times.
>While you are collecting hard data, you might also want to mention why,
>in part, ColdFusion got this nastly little rap.
>
>ColdFusion is easy to learn.  Therefore, it brings in programmers who
>are not necessarily from a programming background.  That's important,
>because the base knowledge of expensive versus efficient coding
>practices are not always there.  Therefore, ColdFusion is definately
>going to yield some non-Enterprise worthy solutions.  Good programmers
>and architecture, however, can definately get the job done right.
>
>Compare Java to ColdFusion.  I believe Java is a lot harder to become a guru
>at than ColdFusion.  And along the way, the sub-par programmers
>might get weeded out.  So while Java is an excellent application platform,
>it doesn't have the stigma CF has.
>
>But for tag-based solutions, CF, ASP, PHP, whatever, It comes down to
>proper architecure and programming, and not the platform.
>
>-Erik
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John A Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:12 AM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject: RE: ColdFusion is NOT suitable for Enterprise Solutions
> >
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > Our MIS systems are an Oracle shop, but they have plenty of
> > CF apps running
> > that use Oracle as the back-end datastore.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > John
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]    webhelp.ucs.ed.ac.uk
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> > The University of Edinburgh, Main Library
> > George Sq., Edinburgh EH8 9LJ
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 11 May 2001 13:11
> > > To: Fusebox
> > > Subject: ColdFusion is NOT suitable for Enterprise Solutions
> > >
> > >
> > > Discuss...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We are in the process of doing presentations on various
> > technologies and I
> > > really ripped into Oracle WebDB the other week and expect them to be
> > > gunning for me. I'm doing a presentation on CF, including
> > the new CF5
> > > features.
> > >
> > > In lunch today this came up, that CF was not suitable for Enterprise
> > > Solutions (sheesh).
> > >
> > > I also want to emphasise speed of development during the
> > presentation.
> > >
> > > So what I need is links, examples, papers, the lot.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Adam Reynolds
> > > ColdFusion Web Developer
> > > ISMG Development, Unilever
> > > London
> > >
> > > ( +44 20 7822 5450 (ext 5450)
> > > m: +44 7973 386620
> > > *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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