I think we expected to much.  Added to many requirements to fast.  I must
say that Joe Watson did an excellent job with the Fb Tutor though.  A good
app to tear through.

Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
Application Development
www.schoollink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FLASH, CF, PHP, SOAP, Fusebox, XML, UML for Fuseml
tool(was:Site Logic Flo


Tim,

Sorry to see fbcommunity fall by the wayside.  I had hoped to see that
grow into something.  I personally don't see myself as much of a leader,
so I don't know if I would be a good candidate for the position, but I
do try to contribute as much as I can to the cause.

Jeff

On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 23:17, Tim Heald wrote:
> Having been a part of a mostly failed attempt at a "community" application
> before I would recommend the following.
>
> 1. Assign a leader.  Pick someone who has a lot of time and is dedicated
to
> this.  Most of the reason the other app fell apart was because the 4 of us
> who were serious started getting bogged down with external stuff like
paying
> jobs.
>
> 2. Be vary strict about your requirements, and make very very small and
> measurable iterations.  Don't try and bite off too much.
>
> 3. Take any advice from the "senior" FB members seriously.  I tried but
> didn't follow all the suggestions I got from people in the know.  I think
> this contributed greatly to our lack of success.
>
> Most of all pick a very confident and pushy project head.  I hate to say
it
> but you almost have to bully people into doing things.  I mean besides a
> small core of rock steady people who are serious you will probably get a
lot
> of people who just want to watch and not really work.
>
> Sorry if I sound kind of negative, I feel there are a few people here who
> put a lot of work into something only to get let down, sorry if anyone
feels
> like I did some of the letting down :(
>
> In short have whoever takes charge get in touch with me.  I live to code
:)
>
> Tim Heald
> ACP/CCFD
> Application Development
> www.schoollink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:32 PM
> To: Fusebox List
> Subject: FLASH, CF, PHP, SOAP, Fusebox, XML, UML for Fuseml tool
> (was:Site Logic Flowch
>
>
> Alright, how about a little feedback here.
> I'll admit that I'm never done anything collaborative like this with
anyone
> outside of Oklahoma.
> Looks like we have several volunteers so far.
> Drew Harris
> Tim Heald
> Jeff Miller
> John Farrar
> David Huyck...?
>
> Any others...?
> How should we proceed?  Start a list, or just collaborate off line?
> Perhaps we should start a temp list so others can join as time goes by.
> Thoughts...?
>
> I think this project will involve ColdFusion, PHP, Perhaps SOAP, Fusebox
(of
> course), XML, Flash, and UML... As well as creating some standards for
> FUSEML along the way... Very cool stuff!
>
> Well?
> Drew Harris
>
>
> On 4/12/02 3:41 PM, "Timothy Heald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > David,
> > I think you are exactly right.  If you use an XML file to provide the
data
> > you can edit it using whatever language you feel like. I would like to
> learn
> > some more about XML, specifically how it works with CF.  Shoot me a line
> if
> > I can lend a hand.
> >
> > Tim Heald
> > ACP/CCFD :)
> > Application Development
> > www.schoollink.net
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: David Huyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:48 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: Site Logic Flowchart Tool
> >>
> >>
> >> It seems to me that you would never have to touch Flash for this
> >> project if it
> >> is done right.  If the Flash graphing tool is built to simply
> >> accept generic
> >> input, you should be able to just create a page to output the data for
> the
> >> SWF, and it wouldn't matter if that page was built in PHP of CF.
> >>
> >> my two cents,
> >> David Huyck
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jeff Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Site Logic Flowchart Tool
> >>
> >>
> >> | I'd be interested in doing a possible PHP version of this app.  My
PHP
> >> | skills are a bit limited (I managed to make it through the
> >> | wireframetool, not sure how I did that one) and Flash experience is
> >> | non-existent, but I'll give it a go.
> >> |
> >> | Jeff
> >> |
> >> | On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 13:59, John Farrar wrote:
> >> | > I am game for the project Drew... my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
> >> let's give it a go. It's fun to build cool tools. (The pay is not quite
> as
> >> rewarding though!)
> >> | >
> >> | > John
> >> | >
> >> | > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 01:23PM >>>
> >> | > What do you think John?
> >> | > Anyone else think this is a good idea and want to/can help with it?
> >> | >
> >> | > -Drew Harris
> >> | > On 4/12/02 12:06 PM, "Steve Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> | >
> >> | > > Why don't you two team up and build it.
> >> | > >
> >> | > > Steve
> >> | > >
> >> | > > Drew Harris wrote:
> >> | > >
> >> | > >> John,
> >> | > >> I originally posted this to the steering list with no response.
> >> | > >> Maybe this is a better place for it...?
> >> | > >>
> >> | > >> Alright, not sure this is the best place for this post,
> >> but I'll try it
> >> here
> >> | > >> first.
> >> | > >> I'd personally love to see a simple Flash/Fusebox app that
> >> allows on
> >> the
> >> | > >> fly, on the web creation of UML documents for Fusebox apps and
the
> >> business
> >> | > >> processes that surround them.
> >> | > >> Wouldn't think it'd be that hard to develop something like
> >> this using
> >> | > >> Flash...?
> >> | > >> -Drew Harris
> >> | > >>
> >> | > >> On 4/12/02 10:44 AM, "John Farrar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> | > >>
> >> | > >>> I was thinking... has anyone built a flowcharting tool that
goes
> >> through the
> >> | > >>> fuseactions, gets the XFA's and creates a flowchart based on
exit
> >> | > >>> fuseactions.
> >> | > >>> It should be simple to do... but it would be even better
> >> if there were
> >> a
> >> | > >>> tool
> >> | > >>> that could do a logic map. This would help in testing,
> >> debugging and
> >> | > >>> enhancement. (If someone makes one... we should also have
> >> some sort of
> >> | > >>> versioning built in.)
> >> | > >>>
> >> | > >>> John Farrar
> >> | > >>>
> >> | > >>>
> >> | > >>
> >> | > >
> >> | > >
> >> | >
> >> | >
> >> | >
> >> | >
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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