Heh?  I was talking about the lists' signal-to-noise ratio.  Higher 
means more signal, less noise.
The conference isn't noisy.  Now the Fuseball tournament, on the other 
hand... ;>

- Jeff

On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 09:00 AM, Lee Foster wrote:

> Jeff since I've never had the money to go.  Are you saying that it is a 
> bit
> .... Noisy?
>
>
> Lee Foster
> (e)consultant, Web developer, Web Architect
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 615-834-1876
> http://www.l3enterprises.com
> Nashville, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Summary of the Fusebox Democracy - an attempt
>
> Hi, Nev.  Lee was talking about the meeting space for the annual Fusebox
> Conference.  The members of the Council have been meeting with one
> another face-to-face for years now, but it's been at our own expense and
> as opportunities present.
> The vast majority of Fusebox interaction, even at the Council level,
> happens through one electronic medium or another.
> And you're right--we find we make the most progress in the shortest time
> when meeting in person.  Unfortunately, though the Council resides on
> the same continent, we're pretty thoroughly distributed.  Nat and Erik
> are in Oregon, I'm near Washington, DC, Steve is in South Carolina,
> John's in New York, and Hal is in Atlanta.  Our opportunities to get
> together are generally centered around CF events or various
> class-related travel.  Fortunately, the Fusebox lists tend toward the
> highest signal-to-noise ratios I've seen anywhere on the Net.
>
> - Jeff
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 02:11 AM, Nev wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> I notice with some interest Lee's remark about conference rooms.
>>
>> <<<"mailing lists) and other costs incurred (conference rooms, 
>> etc).">>>
>>
>> Does this infer that you guys actually meet head to head (ie. travel
>> around the world to a central location, lock horns, and actually
>> overcome the difficulties of the NON-face to face communication?
>>
>> Does this travel occur at both Council and Steering committee levels?
>>
>> How do you fit this into your lives?
>>
>> If this is so, is this travel cost self-funded or subsidised by the
>> community? If not subsidised, why not?
>>
>> THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM but a "I'm really impressed that this behind
>> the scenes stuff happens" comment.
>>
>> It infers a huge amount of commitment on the behalf of our dearly
>> beloved Council members and Steering committee members that we poor
>> plebs are unaware of.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Nev
>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 08:14am >>>
>> There seems to be some confusion, and a little resentment, regarding
>> the current Fusebox Steering Committee elections.  The resentment, such
>> as it is, seems to arise from the fact the only Fusebox "members" are
>> eligible to stand for election, and to vote.
>>
>> I am not, and have never been, a member of any Fusebox council or
>> committee, so let me see if I can summarise without any appearance of
>> bias:
>>
>> �     The Fusebox code and the Fusebox specification will always be
>> absolutely free of charge to everyone.
>> �     The Fusebox mailing lists will always be available free of charge
>> to everyone.
>> �     Support from your highly-knowledgable peers will always be
>> available free of charge.
>> �     Everyone is, and will be, permitted and encouraged to 
>> participate,
>> free of charge, in the usual robust discussions about Fusebox and its
>> future directions.
>> �     The various Fusebox councils and committees will be responsible
>> for making completely non-binding decisions about the future of 
>> Fusebox.
>> �     If you wish to have a direct vote regarding who makes these
>> non-binding decisions about Fusebox's freely available, free-of-charge
>> resources, then you are required to demonstrate some minimal level of
>> committment by becoming a "member".
>> �     You become a member by making a donation to the cost of communal
>> infrastructure.
>> �     Your donation may be as much or as little as you choose.  $1 is
>> permissible, as is $1,000,000, but if you want to actually help fund
>> infrastructure, you do at least need to donate enough to counter
>> PayPal's transaction fees.
>> �     If you are unable to make such a donation, for financial or
>> political reasons, then you can demonstrate your committment by asking
>> someone else to donate on your behalf.
>> �     Donations will not be used to pay councillors or developers for
>> their work, but will be used to pay for community infrastructure
>> (hosting, mailing lists) and other costs incurred (conference rooms,
>> etc).
>>
>> There are several aspects of the current and proposed administrative
>> structure that could be criticised.  Requiring participants to
>> demonstrate some minimal committment before they can vote should surely
>> be the least controversial.
>>
>> Thanks heaps,
>> LeeBB
>>
>>
>>
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