Hm. I'm sure somebody from Oracle would be interested in using it for that. They are obsessed with cataloging human beings en masse.
(Yeah I know, this looks VERY fbcommunity. I'll shaddup and git back to work) > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Quinlan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Secure.cfm > > Would you have any objections if I used your core files TO take over the > world myself? I promise to sign a waver that you had nothing to do with > it. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: hal helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Secure.cfm > > It's no good, Jeff. Those guys have discovered our secret plan to take > over the world by giving stuff away! Drat those conspiracy-busters! ;-) > > Seriously, I have been working on the issue of security for a long time > now, mainly discarding promising ideas that ultimately didn't handle > everything I thought needed to be handled. I think we're very close, > with thanks to Steve Nelson who has listened to me prattle on about > security for lo, these many months, and who has offered invaluable > criticism, advice, and suggestions. > > My real goal is not to take over the world (too many problems!), but to > make Fusebox so compelling simple to use, powerful, and complete that > corporations will adopt it even more widely. That has got to be a > benefit to each one of us. I think the recent election of the Advisory > Committee and the pending formation of a Standards Committee will help > in this immensely. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Secure.cfm > > > > You guys love conspiracy theories don't you ;-) > > Both John and Hal have stated several times (and I bet > we will be hearing it again shortly) - anybody is free > to add on to the core files with additional > functionality as long as the original functionality of > the core files is not altered. With the techspedition > core file you can do everything in the exact same > method as you can do it with the standard core file - > you can just do a lot more as well. > > I don't see them doing it, but if John and Hal wanted > to start charging for their core file, they could very > well do so. Whether we wanted to pay for the extra > functionality or not is up to us - either way the > original core file put out by the FuseBox committee is > sworn to always be free. > > So if you want to build your own core file (and even > charge for it, although I would be surprised if you got > many takers), go right ahead, the only requirement is > that the original functionality of the core file must > remain in place. > > On the other comment, yes Hal has a new security method > he has been working up that from the initial plans I > saw looks to be so much simpler than the secure tag. Unfortunately he > has not back-doored me a copy so I am still waiting to see the final > version. > > -- Jeff > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 7:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Secure.cfm > > > No worries Alan, i got the posts on my hard drive where > John insisted > again and again that the core files would always and > forever be FREE! i > got the hunch that they are going to continue on the > lines they always > have, share the code they developed and charge for > training. And i think > that's a much better business plan than the other way > around, charge for > the code and undermine their training base - somewhat. Especially at > this point. > > how much could they ask, anyway? If they asked a lot > for it, I don't > think many people would adopt it. Sure, there seems to > be some nice > things you can do, but nothing we couldn't manage > another way. and what > would prevent people from passing it around behind > their backs, > especially if a few people got a little pissed? > > I think this is all part of their mystery marketing > plan. Keep 'em > guessing until they get all wired up curious, anxious, > starting to > spread rumors of their duplicity, and just as it > reaches fever pitch, > they spring out of hiding with all these cool things > you can do, John > insisting that even the PRIVATE releases of the core > from techspedition > will always be FREE! Hal mumbling about how they really > could use a PR > person to handle these things for them ... And they put > up some more > training events on their site to help us learn all > these cool new > techniques they worked out ... > > i also think the broken links on the techspedition site > to certain > articles - the error message you get - the basic > contradiction that you > point out of John Q hammering for months Don't touch > the core! Don't > touch the core! and then he's the first one ... it's > all in their > mystery plan. > > > Alan McCollough wrote: > > Now this does make me think of my whole use of the > term "Illuminati" > > when > > relating to those who are at the head of the FB > movement. And here is > > why. I > > coulda swore that the common mantra around FB3 is > "Don't mess with the > > core > > files". > > > > So then how is it that if certain folk (i.e. members > of the Illuminati) > > alter the core, it's okay? > > > > This touches a lot of areas, redistribution, > pay-vs-free, etc. I can't > > be > > the only guy interested in this... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Nando [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:14 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: Secure.cfm > > > > > > I'm not 100% on this, but if you study the > techspedition core a bit, > > > you'll notice Hal's got some code in there relating > to security / > > > permissions. These guys have nearly got the > marketing through mystery > > > gig aced. ;-) No? > > > > > > R Vosmeer wrote: > > > > Does this mean there is a new tag coming? > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > Van: John Quarto-vonTivadar > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Verzonden: 30 May 2002 04:42 > > > > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Onderwerp: Re: Secure.cfm > > > > > > > > I think it's worth waiting the extra few weeks > until Hal's new stuff is > > > > released. I found it significantly easier to > understand than the what > > > > was > > > > proposed last summer. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ney Andr� de Mello Zunino" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Secure.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > John Beynon wrote: > > > > > > > > > As for Hal's proposal becoming part of the > fusebox spec, it could > > > > > happen but I think it's more likely to become > a 'best practices' - I > > > > > know he's got something new up his sleeve at > the moment. Since > > > > > everyone has their own stand point on security > coming up with a > > > > > 'standard fusebox' methodology would be a huge > challenge. > > > > > > > > Understood. > > > > > > > > Anyway, assuming that I wish to follow Hal's > proposal, is the > > > > implementation of the code that should be > responsible for traversing the > > > > circuit path (reading the FBX_Permissions.cfm > files and updating the > > > > fusebox.permissions structure along the way) > available somewhere or > > > > would I have to write my own? > > > > > > > > > And yes, apart from hard coding your > userpermissions, looks like > > > > > you're on the right lines, > > > > > > > > > > There ya go, I answered all your questions, > > > > > > > > Thank you :) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ney Andr� de Mello Zunino > > > > Media and Technology Laboratory > > > > Campus Computing Centre > > > > United Nations University > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: [email protected] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bUrFMa.bV0Kx9 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
