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Hi Jay et al,

Jay, you have missed Hyman's point.

True, nature may take thousands of years to regenerate soil, but some
people know how to do it much faster. 

Composting is one very good method. Using ground up rock dust is another.
Soil conservation with appropriate irrigation techniques is also important.

Jay, you are not opening your eyes to all the possibilities, just like
you have been complaining about how other people do not see the world
as you do.

You have made many good points in describing the problem. However the range
of solutions is broader than your world view seems to allow.

Dennis Paull
Los Altos, California

>From: Hyman Blumenstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>What are our brains there for?  Why the assumption that we must all sit
>>like logs and let Nature takes its natural course?  With our brains,
>>without the totally obsolete concept of Cost, or any other Doctrinaire
>>Economic shibboleth, with all our physical talents and technological
>>prowess, can we not use our brains and machinery to reestablish the
>>fertility of the soil world wide, poste haste?  What is the obstacle to
>>such a course of action, except by rote stupidity force fed into all our
>>minds?
>
>IMHO, it's mostly a problem of psychological denial -- with a healthy dose
>of vested interest to lock it in place.  [ Take a look at
>http://dieoff.com/page15.htm for Catton's NEW ECOLOGICAL UNDERSTANDINGS  ]
>
>The first step would be for people to admit the problems real (even some
>members of this list won't).  The second step would be to admit that the
>consumer society must now end.
>
>If we could overcome denial, we might have a chance.  But I see it as the
>"alcoholic" syndrome: the alcoholic can't overcome denial until he is lying
>in the gutter drowning in his own puke.  Of course, by then it will be too
>late for us  (e.g., it takes ~3000 to 12,000 years to develop sufficient
>soil to form productive land).
>
>Jay
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