> Jay, this was coherent and wonderful. I admire Ed and many of the economists on
> this list because I consider them to be concerned with these issues
> themselves. However, as an Artist, I believe that many of the problems that
> we have experienced in the Arts here in the West, has been caused by current
> economic theories.
>
well, all the current economic theories that were applied,
such as monetarism, market-liberalism or the slightly
older ones of keynesism were based on the capitalist
mode of production, and failed, just as Marx said they would,
and the boom and bust cycle which we are repeatedly told not to worry
about, is vigorous indeed.
So you cannot blame the economist for not working a miracle,
fixing an unfixable contradiction in the system, such as social
production and private distribution.
and, yes, Marx was right even if you happen to agree with the
status quo denying this. He prescribed common ownership based
on a democracy, more developed than the bourgois democracy he knew.
Such a system was not yet tried, so it couldn't have failed.
As a non-artist, I think art or even Art suffers from the market
system with all other cultural/social products that cannot
be digested by capitalist profit.
Eva
> The problem has been to get economists who were willing to admit there was a
> problem since, like Academicians, they tend to elevate the limits of their
> studies to the whole of the real world and consider any failure outside their
> limits as deserving of failure.
>
> They also tend to dissemble when reminded that Marx was an economist, since they
> hate his failure so.
>
> Ray Evans Harrell, artistic director
> The Magic Circle Chamber Opera of New York, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Jay Hanson wrote:
>
> > From: Ed Weick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >you are confusing economics as a science with the subject matter economists
> > >attempt to study. To extend an analogy I've used before, its a little like
> > >blaming geophysicists for an earthquake. You might broaden your
> > perspective
> >
> > Not quite. Geophysicists do not promote earthquakes, but economists promote
> > dieoff.
> >
> > In 1972, the Club of Rome rocked the world with its book LIMITS TO GROWTH.
> > The book was immediately greeted by mainstream economists with outrage and
> > denial. Economists said that the scientists who produced the models were all
> > wrong -- that these dark scenarios simply couldn't happen. Economists said
> > we should just put our faith in the "market" because there were no limits to
> > growth.
> >
> > As one Nobel Prize winner put it: "The world can, in effect, get along
> > without natural resources." (Solow, 1974).
> >
> > As recently as 2/12/97 the ECONOMIST ran another blatant slander against
> > the Club of Rome:
> > [ http://www.economist.com/editorial/freeforall/20-12-97/xm0002.html ]
> >
> > But the economists were wrong. Economics is not a science, it's a body of
> > religeo-political beliefs supported by nonsensical, circular arguments.
> >
> > The Club of Rome's dark vision has now come true in the Former Soviet Union
> > and Africa. Billions of innocent people are going to loose their lives this
> > coming century because of economists (Marxist and otherwise).
> >
> > "Just doing my job" was no defense during the Nuremberg trials.
> >
> > Economics seems at once familiar and odd to most people. This is because
> > economists adopted everyday vocabulary for their discipline but have
> > assigned the words special meaning. In truth, economists are con artists
> > who say one thing but mean something else.
> >
> > In recent weeks our x-local-bank-economist now
> > university-of-Hawaii-economic-professor has been serving as shill for the
> > good old boys: "Ain't growth great?"
> >
> > It's high time the economists took responsibility for their crimes.
> >
> > My intention is to supply activists and journalists (not academics)
> > ammunition to oppose the "public relation officers" of the system.
> >
> > My new list is intended as a criticism against economists themselves.
> > http://onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/JunkEconomics
> >
> > Jay Hanson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.dieoff.org
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