Good subject title! :-)
Jan Matthieu wrote:
> One wonders if there is no ecological list where these same ongoing crazy
> discussions are not overshadowing what is really important.
Hope you agree that "what is really important" is 100% OPINION.
> who now is going to take the place of evolution and decide
> what's right?
System properties & characteristics are not "right" or wrong. The latter
are value judgements - OPINIONS.
> like in every bad American movie,
Aesthetic OPINION - "bad"
>
> western civilization has
> been going completely the wrong way.
Ethical OPINION - "wrong"
>
> > We also know that if civilization collapses, then industrial supply
> lines
> > will breakdown and then, billions of innocent people will starve.
I think Jay means starve to death in a matter of a week or so.
> Boy, are you ethnocentric. Billions of innocent people are starving right
> now,
There are perhaps 2 billion that are undernourished & drinking polluted
water, but not billions dying each week.
> So that's civilisation for you, doing away with everything valuable
Economic, aesthetic, ethical OPINION - "valuable". You are entitled to
yours as is everyone else.
> we should see they are extended to everyone else on this planet.(rights)
Easier said than done even if we agree via social contract what rights are
mutually beneficial to all when universally extended. You forgot to mention
responsibilities.
> This
> would solve a lot if not all of the so-called overpopulation problems.
Really? The unlimited right to breed is nearly universal now.
> Not
> possible? Why would it be easier to sterilize the whole planet, as jay is
> proposing in one of his crazy schemes?
Fabricated strawman by a sensitive, distressed person. (Never even implied
by Jay or by me) We are probably in agreement about concentration of
economic & military power, conservation, biodiversity,
biotech-agribusiness...But these are all OPINIONS - the subject of this
thread.
Steve
