Well, when the culture is nuts, all you have left is families. REH
----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [Futurework] FWD: Ralph Nader : The Gore-y details.... > I don't see them as teams. I see them as competing Mafia families. > > arthur > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2004 2:11 PM > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] FWD: Ralph Nader : The Gore-y details.... > > > Think of them all as teams Arthur. A chaotic team against the highly > organized Republican monolith would get nowhere. What do you want, a > planet ruined by pollution and blatent short term self interest. It would > make a lousy system anyplace because it uses everything up. Gore could > have resigned but then who wants to see your team lose 70 to zip because > your star fumbled the ball. I didn't bring game theory into this, your > profession did. If you don't like it then get up off of your duff and fix > it. Just complaining about it is beneathe you. Nader was a virus. > > That's my opinion. > > REH > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:41 AM > Subject: RE: [Futurework] FWD: Ralph Nader : The Gore-y details.... > > > > For me the crowning moment was turning on the TV during the impeachment > days > > and seeing Gore acting as cheerleader on the White House lawn with a > chorus > > of democrats. That was the time for him to have stepped back. > > > > As to Nader, well, as Fidel Castro says, "history will redeem me." Let's > > let history judge Nader or rather, if will, Nadir. Probably the nadir of > > the dems. Can only go up now. > > > > ps. Brad, I guess you would never vote Green, or would you?? > > > > arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:53 PM > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] FWD: Ralph Nader : The Gore-y details.... > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > And if Mr. Gore had not been such a relentless sycophant of Mr. Clinton > > and > > > co., then perhaps the outcome might have been different. My gosh, > perhaps > > > Mr. Gore might have even won in his home state. Perhaps other Americans > > too > > > were looking for more leadership and less me-tooism. > > > > Gee, I had the impression it was the other way around: That Gore > > may have lost because he tried to *distance* himself from > > Clinton -- that he wouldn't let Clinton really campaign for > > him [Gore], etc. > > > > I think Gore *disdained* Clinton, and > > that he was too idealistic to swallow his pride and focus on > > *winning* by all means necessary. I think Gore couldn't > > stomach riding into the White House on pig-back, so he > > didn't get there at all. Unrealistically, > > Gore may have thought the country would elect him > > for his substantive character, his commitment to > > public service and the common good, etc. > > > > > > > > I think Mr. Nader did a fine job and woke up the Dems. > > > > I see no evidence of this. Nadir should have stuck > > with automobile safety, and maybe he could have dug up some > > dirt of a different kind of "spoiler" that one sometimes sees > > on the rear of "performance" cars.... > > > > But perhaps worse than Nadir himeslf, were/are the > > people who voted for him and who still think > > *they* did the right thing. I may personally know one > > of these self-righteous superior beings who either is incapable > > of or refuses to see negative externalities of their behavior. > > The one I may know goes about their days surrounded by > > a halo of good fellow-feelings from everyone around > > them. And this one did, in fact, do nothing [materially] bad, > > since they cast their Nadir vote in a state other > > than Florida. > > > > Winning isn't everything. > > Being declared the winner is, by George! > > (--Apocryphal) > > > > \brad mccormick > > > > > > > > arthur > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:57 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] FWD: Ralph Nader : Memoirs of a 'Racketeer for > > > Capitalism' > > > > > > > > > mcandreb wrote: > > > > > >>The more things change... > > >> > > >>Happy New Year, > > >>Brian McAndrews > > >> > > >> > > >>---------------------------------- > > >>Published on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 by CommonDreams.org > > >>Memoirs of a 'Racketeer for Capitalism' > > >>by Ralph Nader > > >> > > >>Perusing through a history book as a college student, I came across a > > >>jolting declaration in a footnote by one of the most highly decorated > > >>soldier of the twentieth century. He said: "I spent 33 years in the > > >>Marines, most of my time being a high-class muscle man for big business, > > >>for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for > > >>Capitalism." > > >> > > >>Those words and more were spoken and written by Brigadier General > > >>Smedley D. Butler. At the time I wondered why more was not made in the > > >>historical accounts of the early decades of the 20th century. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > This is really "neat". Thank you for posting it. > > > > > > But I think Mr. Nadir is a hypocrite (unless he's stupid > > > like Bush). Mr .Nadir turned > > > out to be responsible for making George W Bush our president > > > and he has shown no shame about what he did. I think Mr. Nadir > > > understands "negative externalities" in industry. Can't he > > > understand that there can also be negative externalities to > > > Holier-than-thou moral crusades? I have read that Gandhi > > > knew his "non-violent" protest would likely produce > > > violence, which, people not generally attending to > > > negative externalities, he could deny responsibility for. > > > So Mr. Nadir can deny responsibility for Bush's > > > domestic and foreign policy policies. Sounds like > > > a man who is unsafe at any speed, to me, sine he is not > > > looking in his side or his rear view mirors. > > > > > > Mr. Nadir is perhaps a bit like a character in Hermann Broch's > > > novel _The Sleepwalkers_. This person is a lowly bookkeeper, > > > who is determined to balance the books of is society. > > > This leads to the most constructive person in the book > > > committing suicide. But, Mr. Nadir, you don't > > > need to have any culture or couth -- just observe > > > the negative externalities your behavior has produced > > > at their own level of social integration, > > > and, since actually proves possibility, may produce > > > more of in future. > > > > > > Mr. Nadir did not pass the Florida 2000 Prsidential election > > > crash test. It would be OK for him to say: "Gee, folks, > > > I really f-cked up bad. I didn't think about the > > > possible consequenes of my behavior. [As Creon says > > > in Sophocles' _Antigone_:] All understood, too late. > > > Hand me the sword." > > > > > > \brad mccormick > > > > > > > > > -- > > Let your light so shine before men, > > that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16) > > > > Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21) > > > > <![%THINK;[SGML+APL]]> Brad McCormick, Ed.D. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Visit my website ==> http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
