Re: [Futurework] Minuteman Groups

Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:17:26 -0700

I am sorry, Harry, I did not undertstand your reply. I was not talking about weapons.
Salvador
 
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Futurework] Minuteman Groups

Yet, Salvador, the border people don’t carry guns. In fact, if they did, they would probably be arrested.

 

Harry

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Salvador Sánchez
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 11:18 AM
To: Lawrence deBivort; 'Darryl and Natalia'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Futurework] Minuteman Groups

 

Lawrence:

I am not sure if self knowledge is the reason why we see in others some traits that we do not like of ourselves, specially when we react with hate. I think that as far as you conciously know yourself you tend to be more compassive and tolerant with others that share the traits that you see when in front of the mirror and you consider limitations or weaknesses of your own personality. Of course, I am speaking of knowing as a concious act.

What I believe that moves us to hate others is something that we have in the deepest level of our conciousness. It is not exactly knowledge in the sense that I do not accept it, nor I can express it. It is something you don not think about, but you have some kind of feeling about it. maybe something perceived by intuition. Homophobics can be a good example. They hardly would accept themselves as latent homosexuals. 

As we say in México, when one of your fingers point at someone else, the other four point at you.

Salvador 

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:47 AM

Subject: RE: [Futurework] Minuteman Groups

 

Hi, Natalia,

 

People often assert that they hate and denounce most in others those things that they hate in themselves. I have found this phenomenon intriguing for many years, for it provides a short-cut to understanding how a person views themselves, consciously or subconsciously.

 

People often also accuse others of things they themselves do. 

 

I think the reason for this is that we know ourselves at a deeper level then we know others, so we reflect and project our own sense of ourselves on others.

 

Yes, it is very revealing.  Thanks for your post.

 

Cheers,

Lawry

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darryl and Natalia
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:16 AM
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Subject: [Futurework] Minuteman Groups

 

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Ever desperate for an excuse to bear arms, new groups of US citizens have been not only congregating to discuss concerns about illegal immigrants crossing their borders, they are actually taking it upon themselves to patrol the borders. They say they are worried about drugs, and especially about terrorists. They have been guarding the Mexican border for a while now, and as can be expected, have been subject to accusations of racism. Now a group is prepared to do the same at the Washington border to Canada, and have already begun to wander the nearby woodlands looking for those possible twenty or so per annum that might sneak across that way. It's a leisurely past-time, just them and their gun accomplishing very little, but walking off the pent up aggression over their loss of American Way of Life, which once included respect for Americans from Canada, I guess.

 

Personally, I think they'd be far more effective if they were to patrol the White House or Dubya's ranch for dangerous terrorists, but the collective hive mind cannot permit the possibility that the patriarchal hero of 9/11 has created for them the most dangerous time in America. They fail to grasp that the collective subconscious can only sustain an ego by projecting onto those who disagree with their warring minds the intent of harm.

 

As was interestingly demonstrated by Prof. McMurtry of Guelph University Philosophy Department, the US tends to accuse other nations of evils that they themselves are currently or are about to unleash upon the accused. Best recent example is, of course, Iraq's alleged intent to use WMD, and the resultant release of same by US forces upon the people of Iraq.

 

Yesterday, London England was host to 60 countries for the biannual Defense Systems & Equipment International exhibition. A little one-stop shopping to help feed the $trillion plus per annum industry. Included guests were China, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Columbia, Iraq, Israel...all of whom have questionable human rights records. (I believe this is the one Prince Andrew was involved with two years ago.) So here is Britain, sanctioning these events under the guise of counterterrorism and defense technologies for both governments and corporations, and crying horror and amazement over the recent bombings.

 

Then we received the Ft.Worth Star Telegram report about US 2003 international arms sales, which stated that 20 out of the top 25 of the US best clients were either from undemocratic regimes or from governments with major human rights abuses. We all know the US leads in world arms sales. Can't stop manufacturing WMD. Can't find enough nations to accuse of building them either.

 

If ever there was a nation so full of guilt, waiting to unload it onto others, it is America. The fear will only escalate if it continues to find profit in war. Deep down, they all know what these weapons do to others. At the moment, America's only saving grace may be Katrina's direct hit to the infrastructure. With it, the illusion of terrorism being the nation's number one concern is exposed as little more than an excuse for profit for a few.

 

Natalia Kuzmyn

 

 

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