And what is an "event" really. Do we have to experience an event directly to make it relevant to ourselves. Ever so many events that shaped us as living beings and as a distinct species took place millions, even billions, of years ago. Because we are here, they were woven into our being and in that sense we experience them.

As for the tree in the forest, one would have to ask if it was completely isolated from us or whether it was connected to us in some ecosystemic way to decide whether it was an event that mattered or not.

Ed


Interesting. Is this something like if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around.....does it make a sound? If nobody experiences the event, what was the event? Was it an event?

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Ed Weick wrote:
A recent Scientific American (Special Addition, Feb 20, 2006) contains
an article by physicist by Jacob Bekenstein entitled "Information in
the Holographic Universe". The article begins with:

    Ask anybody what the physical world is made of, and you are likely
    to be told "matter and energy." Yet if we have learned anything
    from engineering, biology and physics, information is just as
    crucial an ingredient. The robot at the automobile factory is
    supplied with metal and plastic but can make nothing useful
    without copious instructions telling it which part to weld to what
    and so on. A ribosome in a cell in your body is supplied with
    amino acid building blocks and is powered by energy released by
    the conversion of ATP to ADP, but it can synthesize no proteins
    without the information brought to it from the DNA in the cell’s
    nucleus. Likewise, a century of developments in physics has taught
    us that information is a crucial player in physical systems and
    processes. Indeed, a current trend, initiated by John A. Wheeler
    of Princeton University, is to regard the physical world as made
    of information, with energy and matter as incidentals.

I find this line of argument compelling. But it does raise the
question of where the information that has shaped the universe and
ourselves came from. It was there in the big bang, I suppose. I'm not
arguing intelligent design, but I do wonder how it got there.

Information, so far, is only a part-aspect of the living event of a
person entertaining (or at least
being beset by...) that information. As Husserl stressed, Descartes'
"cogito ergo sum" was
a kind of distraction: it is always the cast that: Cogito cogitationes,
i.e., I think *something*, and
directly relevant here, what is that something? *information*. Show me
information without
its being part of some person being [mis]informed.

The universe as a whole is only one side of the living event of human
experience. I [you, he,
she, other...] experience the universe. Go try to find an unexperienced
universe, i.e.,
try to experience not experiencing.

This bears repeating, because people almost never seem to "get it", even
people with PhDs.
And it has something to do with work: Work is always the living
experience of an experiencing
person, even though it can *also* be the object of F.W. Taylor's, Dennis
Kosloswki's or anybody
else's living experience. Machines do not work, although they obviously
can accomplish
transformations of energy and material that persons fined useful [or
find oppressive].

There is no such thing as information, except as an
abstraction (like there are stock market trends, etc.).
There are informed persons [an informed person is the living whole
of information contents and their attitudes toward/deployments of... said
contents]. There are misinformed
persons. And, of course, there are also informers and those informed on.

\brad mccormick









Ed

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    *From:* Karen Watters Cole <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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    *Subject:* [Futurework] JKG: Smith vs Darwin and The Predator State

    Two by James K. Galbraith, first from Winter 2005, the second from
    the current issue of Mother Jones.

    *Smith vs Darwin: *Like Intelligent Design, the idea of the
    Invisible Hand stubbornly persists in the face of overwhelming
    evidence.

    In each generation since Veblen, some economists have fought for
    evolutionary ideas, but the ID types keep coming back. Today their
    most lethal champions call themselves the "School of Law and
    Economics." This group holds that markets are self-policing, that
    fraud is really impossible except where publicly provided
    insurance creates "moral hazard." Get rid of regulations, they
    believe, and we won't much need the SEC, the FTC, and the Justice
    Department to protect us from Enron, Tyco, and WorldCom. Now that
    John Roberts has taken over at the Supreme Court, we'll see how
    this touching faith works out.

    Modern economics resembles religion in other, more prosaic ways.
    The American Economic Association (AEA) runs like a priesthood;
    its flagship /Review/ is as unreadable as a Dead Sea Scroll. And
    when heretics gather in the Association for Evolutionary Economics
    and elsewhere, Inquisitors keep after them. (At the annual
    academic meetings, the AEA sends seat counters to the heretical
    sessions, looking for groups small enough to cut from its rolls.)
    To borrow an old line from Robert Kuttner, the evolutionists are
    "a tiny and despised sect that stubbornly refuses to disappear."

    Yet we're a threat. For Darwin cannot be erased; his material,
    randomized, godless view of change informs every aspect of the way
    real scientists investigate physical, biological, and social
    problems, from cosmology to the study of political or
    technological change. The new mathematics of chaos and complexity
    are evolutionary, for they study how simple determinate processes
    can give rise to lifelike diversity. These techniques yield many
    new insights into the origins of pattern and structure. (For a fun
    example, download John Conway's "Game of Life" and have a look at
    what it can do.) One day, they may break through even in
    economics, and Veblen's long-delayed evolutionary revolution will
    be complete.


http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/12/smith_darwin.html

    *The Predator State: *Enron, Tyco, WorldCom... and the U.S.
    government?

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2006/05/predator_state.html

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