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I'll comment below in color and bold. ********************************* 818 352-4141 ********************************* >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:futurework- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christoph Reuss >Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:04 PM >To: >Subject: RE: [Futurework] "Political economy" vs "economics and politics" > > >> We should remember that production takes place only because of >> Wages - the return to Labor. > >You mean only paid work gets done? Who is paying you to write on FW? >McD?
Now you gave it away... In Classical
Political Economy "Labor" is the word given to exertion used in the
production of Wealth. "Wealth"
is a material product produced for the satisfaction of human desires and having
exchange value. So, I know
exactly what I’m talking about. Others who use exact speech also know
what I am talking about. Unfortunately, outside the rigor of carefully defined
concepts, this isn’t true. When, for example, a dozen people are talking
about Wages it is likely they enjoy (or suffer) a dozen different meanings. This is perhaps why
discussion so often ends in confusion and sometimes anger. > >> I should mention that Labor includes the manager and the CEO. >> They are engaged in production together with the woman on the >> production line. A major triumph of the people who run society >> (helped by people like Marx and a legion of neo-Classical >> scholars) was to separate the "bosses and bossed" into warring >> camps, thereby obscuring the real movers and shakers. > >True, Marx offered a red herring (literally). The real warring camps >are producers vs. predators. Unfortunately managers and CEOs tend to >be predators these days. It could be different. I would like to
know exactly what you mean by “predators”. >> So, modern left-wingers who should know better concentrate on >> such non-issues as urban poverty and lack of health care, >> inequality between wage-earners and the CEOs, affordable housing, >> educational funding, and a dozen more. Bush, and the Republican >> Party are usually blamed for these deficiencies, yet all of them >> existed long before Bush, or the GOP. In fact they existed a >> century ago, and two centuries ago in > >Right, Bush wants to roll back the social progress of 2 centuries. > > >> Less so in >> de Tocqueville was amazed at the absence of
beggars is > >Did they shoot them (like the Injuns) or let them
starve? Neither – they just weren’t
there.
If I could make a suggestion, perhaps you should think about things rather then
dreaming up cute remarks which get to be more tiresome than cute. You can do
better. >> You should not have mentioned your last point about monetizing >> everything - including your breath. This is the sort of thing >> that the controlled economy is very good at doing. (The free >> market would laugh at such nonsense.) > >Do you know how the mafia deals with air pollution and toxic waste? >Mafia (black market) is free trade, in your own
words. And in When people
supply things that other people want but the government prevents them from
having, entrepreneurs ‘illegally’ satisfy their needs. Others, who
I’m sure you would call ‘predators’, then bribe the
government to stop this competition which is then labeled the black market. You
apparently are adopting the ‘predators’ terminology. >> The danger is that should government economists read what you >> say, they might decide to try it. > >They're already on their way, without Brad tipping them off. >Currently they're busy privatizing water. I guess air will be next. Air is a
resource we own in common. If you could carry that thought a little further to
embrace land and the oceans, you might improve your understanding. >> I'll end with a de Tocqueville quote which I like. >> >> "The >> they can bribe the people with their own money." > >Operation "Enduring Freedom" was an Orwellian typo. It should >have read "Ending > >Chris > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >SpamWall: Mail to this addy is deleted unread unless it contains the keyword >"igve". > > >_______________________________________________ >Futurework mailing list >http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework |
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