You're really not getting it. This is like the loggers road that was going to destroy a thousands of year old meditation run for the Yarok religion in California. All of the Anglos and the Italian Catholics on the Supreme Court said Tsk Tsk too bad but we move on, we have to have logs. Then the UN got involved and an international indigenous group got involved and put pressure on the state of California and they stopped the road. The Yarok culture is still there. To you it's a game and a game has a social purpose, to them it's a part of the religion as it is with us. It's a substitute for hostile action against those who oppress us. It's called the "Little War" and it's a lot better than going to Iraq. Would you prefer suicide bombers? These kids have a high suicide rate. How long before they realize what Islam has realized? In short. You are a smart man and this is beneath you. You should be better. There are consequences. If you guys would like I would be willing to give the list a primer instruction in this so you don't come off as brutes.
REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:04 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] Fw: [Ottawadissenters] Fw: More dismal stuff It's too bad, but it's the kind of world we now live in. I used to ride a motorbike across the US border with nothing more than a driver's license as ID. I'm no longer doing that but if I were, I'd need a passport. This is the post 9/11 world. The Haudenosaunee should have known what they were getting into and should have been prepared for it. You may not respect a US or Canadian passport, but you may have to have it nevertheless. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Harrell <mailto:[email protected]> To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME <mailto:[email protected]> DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Fw: [Ottawadissenters] Fw: More dismal stuff Speaking of Values. What's your thought on the Iroquois Nationals now that Britain has banned them? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:08 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] Fw: [Ottawadissenters] Fw: More dismal stuff I know it's about values Ray, and values come with cultural perspectives. I spent a lot of my professional life working with and about Native people in northern Canada and have a pretty good understanding of how their values differ from ours. I recall how, back in the 1970s, people of the Mackenzie Valley first encountered the concept of land ownership. "What?" they would say, "owning the land? Nobody owns the land. It's just there." Needless to say, the guys from the oil patch who wanted to drill or build pipelines saw things differently. At the time, the Canadian government tended to side with the oil patch. It took a helluva lot of work to develop a concept of land ownership that was accepted by both sides and to bring on the land claims process. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Harrell <mailto:[email protected]> To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Fw: [Ottawadissenters] Fw: More dismal stuff It's about values Ed. They value the wrong things. A stone or a widget or a piece of tar. Consider the value of a song? Consider a society that rethought it's values and moved away from the market ideas of Mill and Jevons. Mill should have known better. If he had not had Wordworth his life would have been spent as a failure in the mental institution after the terrible beating his father gave him. Obama is a failure with Indians because as a Black Man he missed the point completely of our history. He's a failure with economics because he bought the European model of value. Capital, is what it's all about. You have to be willing to invest it in real growth that grows people, not just is material transformation into energy that dissolves. Electricity and computers, bit rot and records. All of our visual and literary treasures caught in a machine that could disappear in a moment. Someone's values are screwy and they aren't mine. I still say it Hohokum. I've had a computer crash and lost all of my history except for what was in paper and had to redo thousands of pages and I'm one person. This place is nuts. The first solar pulse to come along and they will just disappear. REH _____ _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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