Schumacher cited those words in the context of a discussion of the ethical
flaw in Keynes'
ironical argument that the "economic possibilities for our grandchildren"
somehow depended on us continuing, for a few decades more, to "pretend to
ourselves... that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and far
is not."

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I have often cited Keynes in a positive way.  That he somehow knew that the
production problem would be solved and that the economic issues facing the
society of his day would melt away in the future.  I saw his quote as the
statement of an ideal future, but that in the short term there is the need
to deal with scarcity and a need to reward behavior that is not up to what
we would want in an ideal future.  That market behavior that might be
hurtful of others, behavior carried out by selfish and greedy people will
need to be rewarded to get society out of the slump of the 1930's.

I didn't see it as an ethical issue but rather as pragmatism in action.
However the way you put it has caused me to re-think my earlier position.

Arthur


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To: Keith Hudson; RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
Subject: [Futurework] In the name of charity

Keith wrote: "Every conceivable type of government cares about
unemployment, and has done so throughout history if it wants to
maintain power and sleep easy."

The semi-official conventional wisdom on unemployment is that it
doesn't exist. If it does exist, it is voluntary. If it is
involuntary, it reflects moral defects of the unemployed themselves.
If it exists, is involuntary and not the fault of the unemployed it
will soon be eliminated through the equilibrium of the market.
Therefore it doesn't REALLY exist.

So why should every conceivable type of government "care" about
unemployment? There are, of course, plenty of lucrative swindles that
can be engineered in the name of charity. Ray Harrell and I met up
yesterday afternoon and during our conversation Ray brought up Herman
Melville's "The Confidence Man."  Government's care about unemployment
the way the confidence man cares about... well, *confidence*!

As for the efficacy of gold as a "real" monetary standard, it reminds
me of Schumacher's quote from Gandhi about "dreaming of systems so
perfect that no one will need to be good." Schumacher cited those
words in the context of a discussion of the ethical flaw in Keynes'
ironical argument that the "economic possibilities for our
grandchildren" somehow depended on us continuing, for a few decades
more, to "pretend to ourselves... that fair is foul and foul is fair;
for foul is useful and far is not."

-- 
Sandwichman
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