Thanks, Selma,
In Turk's video, he strongly implied that something engaged when he took
hold of the Shaman's staff, which others would consider magical,
inexplicable or owing to mind over matter. The Shaman said at the time
insisted that it was an ancestor who actually did the healing.
Bohm's name sounded familiar, and I checked in a book by Dr. Fred Alan
Wolf, titled, /Taking The Quantum Leap/. (Wolf's book starts off rather
dry, but does get really interesting.) Any way, though some may know
Bohm's work, he was a theoretical physicist, last at Birkbeck, U. of
London, best known for research on interactions of electrons in metals.
He showed that individual haphazard movements concealed highly organized
and cooperative behaviour called plasma oscillation. Order underlying
chaos. He maintained that there exists no separation, the universe is
one of unbroken wholeness, and that meaning is the bridge between
consciousness and matter. He's worth reading more of, so thanks.
Your last line almost coincides with a blurb out of the paper in which
the educational system in the US has deteriorated to the following sad
report, which speaks to the priorities of gov't budgets:
Students in Moody, Ala. are required to bring with them: two double
rolls of paper towels, 3 packs of Clorox wipes, 3 boxes of baby wipes, 2
boxes of garbage bags, liquid soap, Kleenex and Ziplocs.
In Honolulu, a four pack of toilet paper. Texas, put paper plates and
Dixie cups on the list.
Cheers,
Natalia
Selma wrote:
Hi Natalie,
Thanks for your very thoughtful reply to my questions.
Actually, I think all of the questions come back to the issue of
cultural values; Ray has said many times in many ways that, to the
degree we don't have art in the earliest education, we are missing the
boat. And, even beyond that, the culture that recognizes the power of
the spirit as well as the physical must be an ingrained part of what
every child learns along with the intake of its mother's breast milk.
However, it is not a matter of either/or; we must have a recognition
that both are equally important.
In Turk's book, the part he doesn't want to give away, is that he had
broken his pelvis during an avalanche and, after surgery, partially
broke it again; Western medicine couldn't help much and the Shaman,
Moolynaut, cured him . There are many such stories from Aboriginal
cultures everywhere, but we tend to ignore them or dismiss them for
one reason or another.
There are, of course, also many scientists, like David Bohm, who
address the issues of the way we fragment our world and our lives and
disconnect from an important reality.
I think it will take a massive reorientation of our education and work
systems before we are able to help ourselves or our world.
Selma
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Hi Selma,
Though I haven't read Turk's book, I really liked the video. I'd have
to read the book to more fully grasp his views on work and education,
though his views on greedy corporations rang clear enough. If logic of
the digitized, always scientifically measured capitalist world must
prevail, then the desires of corporation owners will always take
precedent, while the language, visions and realistic numbers for
sustainability will remain largely foreign, incapable of arriving at
value. It's a convenient denial. Plenty of studies are out there to
show sustainability is profitable, but the returns simply aren't
immediate enough, nor egregious.
I do believe nature is being forced to become the decider on this one,
because education can't possibly produce a generation of aware,
responsible, accountable and compassionate people soon enough to
reverse the ill-effects of this greed. The school system isn't going
to change until society wakes up to how they've failed young minds.
This likely won't happen till poverty and disaster overcome us, and we
have little left but open hungry minds with crystalline hindsight and
a lot of world to salvage and rebuild. That sounds harsh, but how do
you see it, Selma? Do you think education, which has been the
historical motivator for change, is still likely to change minds in
time? Is it possible that this time around, given global warming
acceleration, experience out of chaos will be the best teacher? Will
that result in more defensive posturing, or do you see mind adapting
more brilliantly with even better educators, despite diminished
financial resources for this sector?
I believe minds will become more aware, and that it's part of the
programming, but I obviously have concerns about how soon we will be
facing the consequences of corporate greed, how much of a damper that
will be on education, and how we're going to evolve our way out of
short-term gain tactics to arrive at the mind-set that actually works.
The most significant aspects of the video, for me, were actually those
which questioned reality and explored cultural extinction.
Consciousness being capable of physical creation arouses hot debate on
this list, despite quantum physics having been the most groundbreaking
pulse of science since the early Twenties. If it isn't measurable, how
can it be real? is the gist of where most of these conversations have
gone.
I just caught the last half of a CBC radio show called Quirks and
Quarks, which featured some leading physicists answering to what
constitutes the top ten unanswered questions of all time.
The first fellow, Dr. Julian Barber, a physicist and writer from the
UK, felt that the question, /Does time exist?/ ranks way up there. He
said that despite everyone in the scientific community acknowledging
it as real, no one has definitive proof of its existence.Yet, it
contravenes science's requirement of having to see, or witness, its
existence.
Dr. Bill Rooters from Massachusetts, cited "What's behind quantum
mechanics?" Though everything now fits into this theory, which
strangely focuses a great deal on the square root of negative one, he
thinks the next big breakthrough will go one step deeper to explain
how nature computes these probabilities. If quantum theory could be
unified by something else /yet unidentified/, he said.
Perhaps I'm wrong about nature having to take the lead. If quantum
mechanics and the interconnectedness of all things were to become more
commonly accepted, education might take a different direction.
Dr. Sabina Stanley, U of Toronto, felt the question, What would it
take to get to the stars?, remains a favourite. Today we cannot get
even a rocket to light speed. Perhaps we will have to fold space to
bring Andromeda to us!
Dr. Anton Zieleger, a prof. of physics in Vienna, thinks "How real is
reality" is most significant. He also believes there'll be another
theory, deeper than current quantum mechanical understanding, forthcoming.
Dr. Paul Delaney, astronomer and physicist at U.of T., stands by the
old, "Do other Earth-like planets exist?" He believes that with 200
billion stars in the Milky Way alone, with billions of other galaxies
out there, the Kepler satellite space telescope should close in on
something within 4-5 years, which will of course revolutionize our
thinking in countless ways. Then we get to send a big "HELLO", and
wait 30,000 years for a reply.
Dr. Michael Luke, U of T., feels "What's empty space made of?"
deserves an answer. First, there's no such thing as empty space; if
that were the case, he says, the universe's particles would be
massless, with no stable atoms or life possible. Higgs explained this
saying that particles interact with space to create mass. Hawking bet
$100 that Higgs is wrong, yet particles are measurable, and dark space
carries energy which is tearing the universe apart. There are great
hopes for the Hadron Collider to answer what constitutes empty space.
Well, till later,
Natalia
Selma wrote:
I have just read an interesting book _The Raven's Gift_ by Jon Turk. I
am forwarding a youtube in which Turk talks about the subject of the book.
I would be interested in your comments: do any of you see any of this
as applying to the subject of work? Education, perhaps, since he
mentions early education specifically here? What about income
distribution, since that also comes up in reference to "greedy
corporations".
Selma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVWxPBtsdI
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