Harry, you have the morals of a bedbug. REH
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harry Pollard Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:46 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Indian prejudice No raping! Simply landless people trying to find free land to live on. The Indians had a few million in a continent the size of Europe. The millions of Europeans who emigrated were landless serfs of monopoly landholders. (Fewer than 3,000 held almost all the land of England.) Things happened that were not pretty, but we can look back smugly from our comfortable armchairs and "tut-tut" with the clear perception of hindsight. Had we been in North America at that time we would have probably acted the same way. Harry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christoph Reuss Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 11:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Futurework] Indian prejudice Ed Weick wrote: > Chris, it wasn't the countries "of German language and Scandinavia" > that raped the American continent. I didn't write that. I wrote: "In fact, OUTSIDE OF the imperial countries that raped the American continent, i.e. mainly IN the countries of German language and in Scandinavia, there are quite a few Europeans who sympathize with the Indian culture ..." > That honor belongs mostly to England, Spain and Portugal. Everybody knows that. And France! > The French tried to be part of the conquest, but got stuck in a few > places like Quebec, Haiti and Louisiana, where they didn't really last > very long as conquering powers. A rapist who failed is morally no better than a rapist who succeeded. And France still is a major empire in Africa. > Ray does have a point about Europe having destroyed his people. No, because it wasn't Europe. It was the empires you named above. For their kings who were hell-bent on grabbing land around the planet. > Ray may also have a point about attitudes in present day Europe. > There may be some legitimacy to concerns expressed about growing > Muslim populations, but at times what is said strikes one as being > more than a little racist, a little too much like historic attitudes toward Jews. What about the anti-Muslim man-hunts in America after 9/11? (An inside job NOT perpetrated by Muslims.) If you take a close look, the leading anti-Muslim hate-mongers in Europe are zionists. So your comparison is more than a little odd. > And one also has to consider deportation actions taken toward the Romani. You're very superficial. These "deportations" (mainly in France) do not refer to the domestic Romani, but to recent immigrants from Eastern Europe who have built illegal favelas and only came to the West to steal and beg. So they're not sent back for their ethnicity, but for their behavior. (Btw, they get free airplane tickets and ¤300 per adult and ¤100 per child -- a large family can live for months on that money in Romania.) And who has taken these "deportation actions"? Mr. Sarkozy, who happens to be Jewish. So how can you compare these "deportations" to "historic attitudes toward Jews"? > Is Europe a comfortable place for "the other"? Not really, it would seem. With such misinformed, superficial hear-say, you cannot counter what I wrote about Europeans who sympathize with Am. Indian culture and share their environmental attitudes. Even if the same persons (but you'd first have to provide evidence that there is a substantial overlap) dislike the behavior of Turkish immigrants, that's a very different thing. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SpamWall: Mail to this addy is deleted unread unless it contains the keyword "igve". _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
