My experience, Mike, is that when restrictions are placed on a list to make it better, it tends to disappear. We must be careful about any actions we take. Harry From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gurstein Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 9:38 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Lets get back to the future of work and away frompushing and shoving Arthur, What you seem to be suggesting for list governance is rather more of the "hidden hand" market place--bad actors will be shunned and correct their behaviour as a result. It appears that for whatever reason some of those in the marketplace don't respond to the same set of product cues in the same way as others do hence the bad behaviours are in many cases engaged with rather than shunned. If the list were in fact self governing rather than left to the laissez faire of the open market there would be some process of collective self-regulation/governance. Having been involved in several such efforts I know that they can be tedious in the extreme but perhaps as list coordinators you folks might like to suggest a few simple rules for collective self-government as for example along the lines of "formal complaints by two members of the group to the coordinators and then there is a public process of voting people "off the island" -- or some such. M -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:29 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' Subject: [Futurework] Lets get back to the future of work and away frompushing and shoving I received this message from an active FWer. And I am adding my own plea to FWers below. ======================== Arthur,
I won't participate in the futurework list as long as racist and venomous comments continue. This kind of "talk" doesn't contribute anything to the list but bile. ========================== My open plea to FWers. FW was set up to discuss the future of work but seems to go off track from time to time. The conversation soon leads to schoolyard type of talk "I said this, no you said that.you are a creep, no you are a creep". Pointless schoolyard pushing and shoving. If people want to engage in this virtual pushing and shoving please do it off list. One to one. So that others don't have to be party to what are private shoving (pissing?) matches. I have asked individual FWers to not respond to those FWers who provoke in this way (you know who you are) thinking that by shunning those who behave this way would cause them to change their ways or drift off to another list where this sort of behavior is tolerated. But for whatever reason a few (you know who you are) seem to want to pick a fight and so things heat up. Now is our chance to be a self-governing group. Let's not do or say anything virtually that we wouldn't say if we were talking face to face. I prize civility and exchange of ideas. How do other FWers feel about this? Suggestions and ideas welcome. Arthur
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