It's a profound mystery how one man can go through life blithely
oblivious to the obvious. Is it that the pain of admitting to treachery
in humankind would be too much to bear? Or is Harry the true believer,
unable to see "sin" in anyone? Nah, he casts doubt and ridicule on those
who question official stories, so that can't be. But the denial of the
very obvious is strange. Take Iraq, for another even more blatant
example. He claims to believe the official body count, and generally
considers the US did them all a big favour. Three accredited studies to
the contrary were all faulty--and radiation never hurt anyone or
anything there either, despite the depleted uranium rounds being fired
off 1/5 regularly. No, there's more to this man than meets the screen.
Genes like his, able to withstand the assault of nurturing environments,
are a rare commodity.
As to your welcome, but very sad comment, I'll bet that silicosis was
never entered as an official cause of death until well after the fact,
either. OPD would have been about it.
We must keep in mind that there are no borders where big business is
concerned. It is truly a different mindset in which the individual's
cells' natural healthy ligands have been dispossessed by greed smack. As
the mind/body erodes from such an addiction, so, apparently, does
sensitivity. The greed synergy, not unlike many cancers, can be overcome
by awareness of the still healthy to recognize that cancer depends on
chaos to mutate.
Natalia
On 4/4/2011 5:25 PM, Ray Harrell wrote:
Don't mean to come between you to but just a little comment. When
the fathers of my high school buddies were dying of silicosis from
working in the mine, it was common practice of the doctors hired by
the mining companies to tell them to quit smoking. There was no
alcohol, the state was a dry state and it was illegal. Tobacco was
the only drug that self medicated and the doctors blamed, by
implication, the tobacco for their silicosis. I don't believe
venality was limited to Russian communists. The former CEO of IBM
World used to say that corporations were just mini-socialist states
with the shareholders being the party. Parallel processes in the
body act together in synergy. I suspect the same is true in world
finance. That's the root of the principles in the Columbian
Exchange in World History. The process that made all of that
European progress possible at all.
REH
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The trouble with your replies, Harry, is that you never acknowledge
any possibility of official incompetence or cover-up. You've been
bombarded with plenty of reasons for cover-up and can't seem to get
past the official reports, as if they will always be true even if
shown to be ridiculous. Somehow, you've placed all faith in
notoriously corrupt systems' statistics and faulty scientific analyses
with a persistent trust. Or is that really it? Perhaps it's not about
trust at all--just that you're an apologist for industry in general.
US Downwinders were not real victims to you? The government refused to
release the data on their radiation exposure until '97, at which time
it acknowledged radiation related cancer victims, not limited to
thyroid and including leukemia, yet you were silent on the government
cover-up and their eventual acknowledgment and compensations I posted.
This is a conflict. Radiation causing cancer was officially
recognized, but you still maintain a position of denial, though you're
only currently outspoken about the Chernobyl book stats. Yet the
incidents of cancers by Downwinders are not officially cited in the US
National Cancer Institute stats as radiation-caused either as you go
year by year, though the NCI does recognize radiation-induced cancers.
They recognize them, yet you don't. How do you figure?
All the figures you have listed below mean little to me because you've
obtained them from sources who gathered them from corrupt sources.
Blaming cancers on the individual, as in smokers, is convenient,
rather than paying compensation for industrial negligence and
governmental callousness and incompetence. Yes, Europeans and Russians
smoke and drink. That is a fact, and that they'll die of it is fact.
But the USSR were notorious for dumping huge amounts of toxic material
into the same waters that supplied drinking water, and for chronic
improper toxic disposal on land as well. They had no safety laws in
place that were ever upheld because all industry was government owned.
That's the venal system by which you're publicly declaring your
standards of truthful stats.
Natalia
On 4/3/2011 7:07 PM, Harry Pollard wrote:
Natalia,
We are still discussing a military reactor that was used to produce
plutonium in an old graphite reactor without a containment vessel --
not really to be compared with civilian power reactors.
Or, with nuclear power reactors in more than 100 vessels at sea.
Here's a quote about Russian life expectancy which mentions he real
danger to people in Russia -- and to Eastern Europe generally in the
next paragraph which I didn't copy. You'll note that female life
expectancy is 13 years longer than males. I suppose radiation affects
men more than women -- or perhaps in this case not very much.
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However, the European average is pulled down by Russia; in 2001, this
large country of 144 million people has a male life expectancy at
birth of only 59 years and a female life expectancy at birth of 72
years. Male life expectancy in Russia declined over the last decades
of the twentieth century, and shows no indication of improvement. A
considerable amount of research has focused on the trend of increasing
mortality (and concomitant decreasing life expectancy) among Russian
men, pointing to a number of contributing factors: increased poverty
since the fall of communism, which leads to malnutrition, especially
among older people, and increases susceptibility to infectious
diseases; unhealthy lifestyle behaviors, including heavy drinking and
smoking, sedentary living, and high-fat diets; psychological stress,
combined with heavy alcohol consumption, leading to suicide; and a
deteriorating health care system.
Read more: Life Expectancy - world, body, cause, time, human, The
Measurement of Life Expectancy, Life Expectancy at Birth, Circa 2001
http://www.deathreference.com/Ke-Ma/Life-Expectancy.html#ixzz1IU7JXmyT.
///////////////////
Apparently, It's not so much radiation -- Russian men are killing
themselves.
Ukraine life expectancy -- 2011 - is 63 for males, 75 for females.
Once again it appears that females are less affected by radiation than
males -- or that they do less smoking and drinking than the men.
**
The trouble with the 987,000 Chernobyl created deaths as was suggested
by your scientists is they don't seem to appear in the general
statistics of deaths. Even the most usual radiation effect, thyroid
cancer, is a comparatively minor global problem with incidence and
mortality occurring mostly in places far from Chernobyl and apparently
untouched by the accident.
Belarus that, according to the Russians, received 60% of the fallout
from Chernobyl offers some interesting statistics -- the deaths that
occurred. Here are a selection in thousands
Pre-Chernobyl
1984 104
1985 105
During Chernobyl:
1986 97
1987 99
Followed by:
1990 109
1993 128
1999 142
2002 146 (highest)
2007 132
2010 137 (latest)
Looks like there could be a "deaths" connection in this most radiated
place. But, we are a long way from 987,000 deaths from an area that
received 60% of the fallout.
Harry
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Harry,
From the Guardian, UK
http://www.theglobalreport.org/?section=archives&cat_id=20&article_id=507
<http://www.theglobalreport.org/?section=archives&cat_id=20&article_id=507>
Mar. 25- United Nations nuclear and health watchdogs have ignored
evidence of deaths, cancers, mutations and other conditions after the
Chernobyl accident, leading scientists and doctors have claimed in the
run-up to the nuclear disaster's 20th anniversary next month.
In a series of reports about to be published, they will suggest that
at least 30,000 people are expected to die of cancers linked directly
to severe radiation exposure in 1986 and up to 500,000 people may have
already died as a result of the world's worst environmental catastrophe.
But the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and World
Health Organization (WHO) say that only 50 deaths can be directly
attributed to the disaster, and that, at most, 4,000 people may
eventually die from the accident on Apr. 26, 1986.
They say only nine children have died of thyroid cancers in 20 years
and that the majority of illnesses among the estimated 5 million
people contaminated in the former Soviet Union are attributable to
growing poverty and unhealthy lifestyles.
An IAEA spokesperson said he was confident the UN figures were
correct. "We have a wide scientific consensus of 100 leading
scientists. When we see or hear of very high mortalities we can only
lean back and question the legitimacy of the figures. Do they have
qualified people? Are they responsible? If they have data that they
think are excluded then they should send it."
The new estimates have been collated by researchers commissioned by
European parliamentary groups, Greenpeace International and medical
foundations in Britain, Germany, Ukraine, Scandinavia and elsewhere.
They take into account more than 50 published scientific studies.
"At least 500,000 people --- perhaps more --- have already died out of
the two million people who were officially classed as victims of
Chernobyl in Ukraine," said Nikolai Omelyanets, deputy head of the
National Commission for Radiation Protection in Ukraine. "[Studies
show] that 34,499 people who took part in the clean-up of Chernobyl
have died in the years since the catastrophe. The deaths of these
people from cancers were nearly three times as high as in the rest of
the population.
"We have found that infant mortality increased 20 percent to 30
percent because of chronic exposure to radiation after the accident.
All this information has been ignored by the IAEA and WHO. We sent it
to them in March last year and again in June. They've not said why
they haven't accepted it."
Evgenia Stepanova, of the Ukrainian government's Scientific Center for
Radiation Medicine, said: "We're overwhelmed by thyroid cancers,
leukemias and genetic mutations that are not recorded in the WHO data
and which were practically unknown 20 years ago."
The IAEA and WHO, however, say that apart from an increase in thyroid
cancer in children there is no evidence of a large-scale impact on
public health. "No increases in overall cancer incidence or mortality
that could be associated with radiation exposure have been observed,"
said the agencies' report in September.
In the Rivne region of Ukraine, 310 miles west of Chernobyl, doctors
say they are coming across an unusual rate of cancers and mutations.
"In the 30 hospitals of our region we find that up to 30 percent of
people who were in highly radiated areas have physical disorders,
including heart and blood diseases, cancers and respiratory diseases.
Nearly one in three of all the newborn babies have deformities, mostly
internal," said Alexander Vewremchuk, of the Special Hospital for the
Radiological Protection of the Population in Vilne.
Figures on the health effects of Chernobyl have always been disputed.
Soviet authorities covered up many of the details at the time. The
largest radiation doses were received by the 600,000 people involved
in the clean-up, many drawn from army conscripts all over the Soviet
Union.
*Source:* Guardian (UK)
*/Below, from the New York Academy of Sciences, Volume 1181, you will
find the document by Yablakov, Nesterenko and Nesterenko. It
demonstrates their findings, and the reasons why they are not common
knowledge. I could not copy any of it for you, but if you truly
subscribe to the scientific method, you will look at it as well as the
propaganda reports.
Natalia
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