It would seem that our universities have morphed into "holding tanks" -- places 
for young people to spend a few years doing something that makes themselves 
feel good about themselves even there isn't much payoff when they graduate.  
When I went to university many years ago, a payoff was almost certain.  You 
could expect to get the kind of job that the courses you were taking prepared 
you for.  Just getting an undergrad degree meant that you could expect to get a 
reasonably good job of some kind.  Now, a much higher proportion of the younger 
population -- say under thirty five -- has university degrees and a much higher 
proportion has done post grad degrees.  Meanwhile, the jobs which require their 
input seem to have grown proportionately scarcer.

Perhaps it's time to start recognizing universities for what they seem to have 
become -- places in which young people can be taught to think and improve their 
minds without job expectations when they emerge from them, places which make 
young people better able to cope with whatever the world throws at them.  Young 
people wanting to be marketable might be advised to turn to learning the kinds 
of practical skills community or technical colleges provide.

Ed

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Cordell 
  To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 9:40 AM
  Subject: [Futurework] Many With New College Degree Find the Job MarketHumbling


  From NY Times  May 18, 2011

   

  Now evidence is emerging that the damage wrought by the sour economy is more 
widespread than just a few careers led astray or postponed. Even for college 
graduates - the people who were most protected from the slings and arrows of 
recession1 - the outlook is rather bleak. 

  Employment rates for new college graduates have fallen sharply in the last 
two years, as have starting salaries for those who can find work. What's more, 
only half of the jobs landed by these new graduates even require a college 
degree, reviving debates about whether higher education is "worth it" after 
all. 

  "I have friends with the same degree as me, from a worse school, but because 
of who they knew or when they happened to graduate, they're in much better 
jobs," said Kyle Bishop, 23, a 2009 graduate of the University of Pittsburgh 
who has spent the last two years waiting tables, delivering beer, working at a 
bookstore and entering data. "It's more about luck than anything else." 

  The median starting salary for students graduating from four-year colleges in 
2009 and 2010 was $27,000, down from $30,000 for those who entered the work 
force in 2006 to 2008, according to a study released2 on Wednesday by the John 
J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University. That is a 
decline of 10 percent, even before taking inflation into account. 

  Of course, these are the lucky ones - the graduates who found a job. Among 
the members of the class of 2010, just 56 percent had held at least one job by 
this spring, when the survey was conducted. That compares with 90 percent of 
graduates from the classes of 2006 and 2007. (Some have gone for further 
education or opted out of the labor force, while many are still pounding the 
pavement.) 

  Even these figures understate the damage done to these workers' careers. Many 
have taken jobs that do not make use of their skills; about only half of recent 
college graduates said that their first job required a college degree. 

  The choice of major is quite important. Certain majors had better luck 
finding a job that required a college degree, according to an analysis by 
Andrew M. Sum, an economist at Northeastern University, of 2009 Labor 
Department data for college graduates under 25. 

  Young graduates who majored in education and teaching or engineering were 
most likely to find a job requiring a college degree, while area studies majors 
- those who majored in Latin American studies, for example - and humanities 
majors were least likely to do so. Among all recent education graduates, 71.1 
percent were in jobs that required a college degree; of all area studies 
majors, the share was 44.7 percent. 

  An analysis by The New York Times of Labor Department data about college 
graduates aged 25 to 34 found that the number of these workers employed in food 
service, restaurants and bars had risen 17 percent in 2009 from 2008, though 
the sample size was small. There were similar or bigger employment increases at 
gas stations and fuel dealers, food and alcohol stores, and taxi and limousine 
services. 

  This may be a waste of a college degree, but it also displaces the 
less-educated workers who would normally take these jobs. 

  "The less schooling you had, the more likely you were to get thrown out of 
the labor market altogether," said Mr. Sum, noting that unemployment rates for 
high school graduates and dropouts are always much higher than those for 
college graduates. "There is complete displacement all the way down." 

  Meanwhile, college graduates are having trouble paying off student loan3 
debt, which is at a median of $20,000 for graduates of classes 2006 to 2010. 

  Mr. Bishop, the Pittsburgh graduate, said he is "terrified" of the effects 
his starter jobs might have on his ultimate career, which he hopes to be in 
publishing or writing. "It looks bad to have all these short-term jobs on your 
résumé, but you do have to pay the bills," he said, adding that right now his 
student loan debt was over $70,000. 

  Many graduates will probably take on more student debt. More than 60 percent 
of those who graduated in the last five years say they will need more formal 
education to be successful. 

  "I knew there weren't going to be many job prospects for me until I got my 
Ph.D.," said Travis Patterson, 23, a 2010 graduate of California State 
University, Fullerton. He is working as an administrative assistant for a 
property management company and studying psychology in graduate school. While 
it may not have anything to do with his degree, "it helps pay my rent and 
tuition, and that's what matters." 

  Going back to school does offer the possibility of joining the labor force 
when the economy is better. Unemployment rates are also generally lower for 
people with advanced schooling. 

  Those who do not go back to school may be on a lower-paying trajectory for 
years. They start at a lower salary, and they may begin their careers with 
employers that pay less on average or have less room for growth. 

  "Their salary history follows them wherever they go," said Carl Van Horn, a 
labor economist at Rutgers. "It's like a parrot on your shoulder, traveling 
with you everywhere, constantly telling you 'No, you can't make that much 
money.' " 

  And while young people who have weathered a tough job market may shy from 
risks during their careers, the best way to nullify an unlucky graduation date 
is to change jobs when you can, says Till von Wachter, an economist at 
Columbia. 

  "If you don't move within five years of graduating, for some reason you get 
stuck where you are. That's just an empirical finding," Mr. von Wachter said. 
"By your late 20s, you're often married, and have a family and have a house. 
You stop the active pattern of moving jobs." 

   



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