Keith, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.  I've spent the day leaping from 
one thing to another, much like the global economy.  On reading your message 
about the only thing I have to say is that we are in agreement -- not complete, 
but pretty close.

Regards, 
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Hudson 
  To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, , EDUCATION ; Ed Weick 
  Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [Futurework] Capitalism in crisis: 80 years ago, a banking 
collapse devastated Europe, triggering war | Mail Online


  Ed,

  Well, I'm glad you agree with me that it's not capitalism itself that's in 
crisis. It's those who have effective (almost monopolistic) charge of it at the 
present time which are in crisis.

  Yes, you're right about all the other factors. And you're quite right about 
the fact that much of it takes place out of sight. Derivatives are a wonderful 
example of this. Even now, scarcely anybody outside teams of traders and their 
maths helpers in the investment banks understand what they are, even though, at 
rock bottom, they are insurance policies no different in essence from what many 
farmers do in order to establish prices for their future crops or what we do 
when we insure our homes against fire. But with modern derivatives (all brand 
new since about the mid-1990s when they were initially invented by 
JPMorganChase) most of them have become policies based on other policies -- 
derivatives of derivatives -- instead of being based directly on the goods 
themselves. Whereas before the mid-1990s the total amount of derivatives was 
about the same as world GDP, by 2008 they had become ten times the value of 
world GDP. All derivatives can be valued so they all acted like money. So we 
had this great mass of pseudo money being juggled in the air between the 
investment banks and then finally landing as debt in the punters' laps -- the 
punters being governments, the ordinary commercial banks and, in turn, us.

  But there are two more important factors which I think should be added to the 
list. One is the steady encroachment of automation. This is already having huge 
effects in the bifurcation of jobs skills. The other is that in the advanced 
countries we are all becoming locked into a particular way of life in which 
there is scarcely any opportunity for new iconic consumer goods and services. 
We had many of these all the way through the past 300 years. 

  Keith
   



  At 14:12 08/08/2011, you wrote:

    Keith, I don't think you give enough credit where credit is due.  Several 
things in combination are causing today's crisis.  Globalization, technology 
and the movement of jobs to the "developing world" is one such thing.  The 
increasing economic dominance of the FIRE sector(finance, insurance and real 
estate) in advanced states, plus the fact that much of what it does takes place 
out of sight, is another.  The growing gap between rich and poor and the 
increasing saleability of politicians is yet another.  And most recently, the 
trumping of democracy by ideology (the Tea Party, for example) appears to have 
become a very important factor.
     
    Poor old hunters/gatherers have nothing to do with it.  What I found in my 
work with people who still hunt and gather in northern Canada is that they are 
highly cooperative.  If one person invented a better method of hunting or 
gathering, everyone shared in it.
     
    And it may not be capitalism that's in crisis, but governments and nation 
states certainly are.
     
    Ed
     

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Keith Hudson 

      To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION ; Robert Stennett 

      Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 2:49 AM

      Subject: Re: [Futurework] Capitalism in crisis: 80 years ago, a banking 
collapse devastated Europe, triggering war | Mail Online


      Barry,


      Capitalism is not in crisis. So long as man retains his curiosity streak 
and wants to make and do new things then, to bring them off, he has to devote 
time, effort and (these days) money beforehand. The first hunter-gatherer who 
investigated his hunting weapon -- a crude piece of stone -- and discovered 
that, with skill, it could be fractured into sharp edges and points was the 
first capitalist. The time and effort spent was the first investment -- the 
first capital -- before money was invented. 


      What's in crisis today is governmental and banker-led capitalism. In 
previous times there has been military-dominated capitalism, as also 
religiously-led as also industrialism-led. Each has the effect at their zenith 
of exploiting the masses. But then they inevitably go too far and lose their 
'mandate from heaven' as the Chinese put it.


      Today's crisis has been caused by (a) governmental printing of money way 
beyond normal productivity; (b) banks' inventions of all sorts of credit 
schemes which have vastly enhanced the existing money supply. In fact, 
governments and banks in the advanced countries are synergistic. It's revolving 
doors for the chief players. Senior politicians hardly fail to become rich when 
retired; senior bankers hardly fail in being able to influence legislation.


      If it's of any consolation there are clear signs that both banks and 
governments have bitten off far more than they can chew. Having grown from 
something like 5% of GDP to something like 15% in the last 100 years, banks are 
now contracting, both in personnel and schemes. Having grown from something 
like 10% of GDP to something approaching 50% (in some of the most advanced 
countries) in the last 100 years, governments are already contracting, both in 
personnel and scope. This hasn't reached America yet but it will do.


      In this increasingly specialist world new power groups will arise in due 
course as the whole pack of cards is reshuffled. Don't ask me what the next 
specific power centre(s) will be. For example, it could be education or 
medicine (and perhaps one particular specialization within this such as 
neuroscience for happiness purposes or genetics for breeding purposes). Both 
education and medicine already have the appearance of being much larger 
economic growth sectors in the coming years. Both of them have the potential of 
gaining power over the personal lives of politicians, bankers and their 
children. Or it could be something quite unexpected which might carry great 
economic, and thus political, power with it, such as quantum computing or 
particle physics perhaps.


      Unless you happen to think that mankind is about to fall into chaos or 
oblivion or both, then capitalism will survive. The real point is -- in whose 
hands?


      Keith




      At 23:56 07/08/2011, you wrote:


        
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2022993/Capitalism-crisis-80-years-ago-banking-collapse-devastated-Europe-triggering-war.html
 



        I think the following quote summarizes much of my current thinking 
about economics.  



        Barry




        "At bottom, capitalism is as much a moral enterprise as it is an 
economic one. If those lucky enough to become successful ignore the virtues of 
thrift, self-discipline and sobriety, as well as the moral imperative to look 
after the weak, then capitalism degenerates into cronyism and self-interest."







        Article to follow....




        Capitalism in crisis, a warning from history: Eighty years ago, a 
banking collapse devastated Europe, triggering war. Today, faith in the free 
markets is faltering again





        Last updated at 6:03 PM on 6th August 2011



        Exactly 80 years ago, international capitalism stood on the verge of 
meltdown. 


        The collapse of the banking system in the summer of 1931 sent 
shockwaves through Europe, bringing governments to their knees and thousands 
out onto the streets. 


        In the United States, an increasingly careworn president and his 
congressional critics fought a bitter battle over government spending and tax 
rises.

          


        The collapse of the banking system in the summer of 1931 brought 
governments to their knees and thousands out onto the streets (Pictured: the 
Jarrow March)


        And in Britain, with the Labour government broken by the economic 
crisis, a Conservative-dominated coalition imposed the deepest spending cuts in 
a generation, slashing benefits in an attempt to restore confidence in the 
nationâ?Ts finances.


        With the banks refusing to lend, and millions of people thrown out of 
work, capitalism itself seemed utterly discredited. 


        In other countries, many turned to the far Right, swelling the ranks of 
the Nazis and their allies. 


        In Britain, a generation of intellectuals turned their backs on 
capitalism, placing their faith in the utopian idealism of Soviet Communism and 
closing their eyes to the horrors of Stalinâ?Ts barbaric regime.


        For decades afterwards this extraordinary historical moment - when 
capitalism itself appeared to have failed - was forgotten, and looked like the 
stuff of ancient history. 


         But in the summer of 2011, with the eurozone in chaos, the British 
economy stagnant and the U.S. crippled by debt, with social mobility at a 
standstill and millions of ordinary families squeezed until they can barely 
breathe, it feels disturbingly familiar.


        In the past two days alone, stock markets have been in free-fall across 
the capitalist world. With investors manifestly losing confidence in Spain and 
Italy, two of Europeâ?Ts biggest economies, a second devastating world 
recession cannot be ruled out.


        Although the share-price plunge does not yet come close to the infamous 
Wall Street Crash of 1929, this weekâ?Ts market mayhem is a chilling reminder 
of the sheer fragility of the capitalist system. 


        If the worst happens, if Spain and Italy go down and the euro crumbles, 
then the world economy really will be in trouble.


        Only 20 years ago, the capitalist West was congratulating itself on 
victory in the Cold War. The Berlin Wall had come down, the Soviet Empire had 
broken up, and American intellectuals were even proclaiming the â?~end of 
historyâ?T.


        Marxism was dead and capitalism triumphant, or so we were told. Having 
lifted millions in the West out of poverty, having showered them with goods and 
opportunities, the free-market system could do no wrong.


        Today, the picture is very different. For although the Left has never 
recovered from the fall of the Soviet Union, capitalism has rarely seemed in a 
more desperate condition. 

          


        Last year Barclays boss Bob Diamond pocketed an incredible £6.5 
million - and that's on top of his £8 million-plus annual pay package


        And with bankers still pocketing gigantic bonuses and Europe swept by a 
wave of austerity, even the Right are beginning to wonder whether the system is 
intolerably loaded in favour of rich metropolitan elites.


        Only last week, for example, the Tory MP Douglas Carswell suggested 
that â?~the free market all too often turns out not to be a free market at all, 
but a corporatist racket for the fewâ?T. 


        Modern Conservatives, he said, should be â?~as suspicious of Big 
Business and Corporatism as we have been of Big Governmentâ?T.


        On the surface, this may sound shocking. Yet when you dig a little 
deeper, it is not hard to see why so many people have lost faith in the free 
market.


        The entire premise of the capitalist system, after all, is that in a 
free market, hard work will produce its own reward. For capitalists, the 
important thing is equality of opportunity. If you put in the effort, then you 
can be whatever you want to be, regardless of your background.


        So when Margaret Thatcher, one of capitalismâ?Ts most passionate 
champions, ran for the Tory leadership in 1975, she defined her values as 
â?~the encouragement of variety and individual choice, the provision of fair 
incentives and rewards for skill and hard work, and a belief in the wide 
distribution of individual private propertyâ?T. 


        And when she walked into Downing Street four years later, she promised 
to ensure that â?~hard work paysâ?T.


        But you do not have to be a card-carrying Left-winger to see why 
millions of people - not just in Britain but across the world - feel completely 
cheated.


        When most of us contemplate the results of the bankersâ?T greed, for 
example, talk of â?~fair incentives and rewardsâ?T seems a sick joke.


        In every corner of Europe, ordinary families, through absolutely no 
fault of their own, are paying an intolerable price for the outrageous avarice 
of the financial elite.


        Recent figures show that City bonuses came to a staggering 
£14â??billion last year, with one executive, Barclays boss Bob Diamond, 
pocketing an incredible £6.5â??million â?" and thatâ?Ts on top of his 
£8â??million-plus annual pay package. 

          


        When she walked into Downing Street, Margaret Thatcher promised to 
ensure that 'hard work pays'


        Yet at the same time, banks are refusing to lend to ordinary families 
and small businesses. 


        Indeed, last month the banks actually took in as deposits  
£3â??billion more than they lent, which goes a long way to explaining why 
growth is virtually non-existent.


        â?~No wonder economic growth is barely visible to the naked eye,â?T 
remarked the Coalitionâ?Ts former Treasury spokesman, Lord Oakeshott, â?~when 
the banks keep sucking billions out of the economy.â?T


        These are, incidentally, the same banks, such as RBS and HBOS, that 
British taxpayers had to save from the consequences of their own reckless 
gluttony. 


        Three years ago, the Government spent £500â??billion to bail out the 
collapsing banking system. And now, while the bankers toast themselves with 
vintage champagne, the rest of us are picking up the bills.


        But the bankersâ?T greed is only one symptom of a wider malaise. The 
stark truth is that millions of ordinary families feel the system gives them no 
chance of success.


        The facts are simply unanswerable. A child born in 1971 has less chance 
of moving up the social ladder than one born in 1951. 


        On top of that, the gap between rich and poor has grown steadily since 
the 1970s, with some of the biggest increases coming during the 13-year New 
Labour regime.


        Half a century ago, during the Fifties and Sixties, grammar schools, 
job opportunities in manufacturing and the death of deference meant that 
working-class children felt they had a decent chance of getting on. 


        And in their different ways, state-school educated prime ministers such 
as Harold Wilson, Ted Heath, Jim Callaghan, Margaret Thatcher and John Major 
gave the impression that anybody could make it, regardless of their background.


        Even in 1931, during the last great crisis of capitalism, Britain was 
run by a prime minister, Ramsay MacDonald, who was the illegitimate son of a 
Scottish labourer and a poor housemaid. At a time when it would have been easy 
to imagine that power belonged exclusively to the rich, MacDonald was a shining 
example of social mobility.


        Nobody could possibly look at our leaders and draw the same conclusion 
today. 


        From Cameron, Clegg and Osborne - respectively the son of a millionaire 
stockbroker, a banker and the heir to a baronetcy - to Ed Miliband and Ed 
Balls, one the son of a North London intellectual, the other the privately 
educated son of a professor, British politics has become the plaything of a 
tiny self-regarding elite, totally out of touch with ordinary families.


        Looking at our political class, you begin to suspect that modern 
capitalism is loaded in favour of those who already enjoy wealth and power. It 
has become a closed system, impossible to penetrate unless you are incredibly 
lucky.


        Other facts tell a similar story. 

           


        As the Tory minister David Willetts showed in a provocative book last 
year, Britainâ?Ts youngsters are being cut adrift. Thanks partly to ferocious 
competition from Eastern European immigrants, workers in their 20s today earn 
far less than their parents did at the same age. 


        And with house prices having soared and banks refusing to lend, they 
find it impossible to get onto the property ladder.


        As a result, the old Conservative dream of a â?~property-owning 
democracyâ?T is increasingly reserved for the silver-haired. 


        Most experts recognise that home-ownership is one of the keys to a 
stable, prosperous, hard-working society - yet since 1997, home ownership among 
people in their 20s has steadily fallen.


        Of course there was a time when education offered a leg-up: but those 
days are becoming a fading memory. Thanks to the unforgivable abolition of the 
grammar schools, the gap between private and state education has become a 
chasm. 


        In a country that claims to value competition, it is nothing less than 
a disgrace that just four expensive private schools - Eton, Westminster, St 
Paulâ?Ts, St Paulâ?Ts Girls - send as many students to Oxford and Cambridge as 
2,000 state schools put together. 


        Meanwhile, the Governmentâ?Ts education reforms mean that working-class 
children face the prospect of paying back £9,000 a year in tuition fees if 
they choose to go to university.


        And this, of course, comes at a time when fat-cat vice chancellors, 
already rewarded with grace-and-favour residences and boundless expense 
accounts, are being paid an average of more than £220,000 each.


        On holiday in Tuscany - something well beyond most British families - 
perhaps David Cameron should spend an afternoon with his great predecessor 
Benjamin Disraeliâ?Ts book, Sybil.


        In this work, first published in 1845, the greatest Tory statesman of 
the Victorian era warned that Britain had become â?~two nations .¦ who are as 
ignorant of each otherâ?Ts habits, thoughts, and feelings as if they were 
dwellers in different zones, or inhabitants of different planets; who are 
formed by a different breeding, are fed by a different food, are ordered by 
different manners, and are not governed by the same laws: the rich and the 
poorâ?T.


        Disraeli was no socialist. But as an outsider himself, born into a 
Jewish family, he recognised that capitalism could only take root in ordinary 
peopleâ?Ts hearts and minds if it gave them a stake of their own.


        At bottom, capitalism is as much a moral enterprise as it is an 
economic one. If those lucky enough to become successful ignore the virtues of 
thrift, self-discipline and sobriety, as well as the moral imperative to look 
after the weak, then capitalism degenerates into cronyism and self-interest.


        At its best, the free market is a tremendous liberating force. During 
the Fifties and Sixties, it gave millions of people opportunities their parents 
could barely have imagined: happy childhoods, good schools, well-paid jobs and 
contented retirements. 

          


        On holiday in Tuscany - something well beyond most British families - 
perhaps David Cameron should spend an afternoon with his great predecessor 
Benjamin Disraeli's book, Sybil


        But when capitalism fails, as in the 1930s, then it allows extremism to 
thrive.


        During that unhappy decade, some were bewitched by the false promise of 
Stalinist Russia; others flocked to the blood-drenched banners of the Far Right.


        Eighty years on, capitalism has once again lost its way. With millions 
betrayed by their under-performing schools, locked out of the job market, 
forgotten by the banks and abandoned by their politicians, Britain is in danger 
of becoming two nations again. 


        Modern capitalism is not beyond redemption. But it badly needs to 
rediscover its moral dimension, lost amid the scramble to protect the 
privileges of a narrow metropolitan elite.


        It is time that our politicians cracked down on non-domiciled 
billionaires, and time they made sure the rich elite paid their fair share of 
our national tax bill.


        And if David Cameron really wants to rekindle the British peopleâ?Ts 
faith in the capitalist system, then he should go further. He should force the 
banks to lend more money to individuals and small businesses, getting our 
economy moving again.


        He should restore a culture of competition and excellence to our state 
schools, giving working-class children a genuine sense that they can climb the 
ladder. And he should make it a priority to encourage real jobs in real 
businesses, reinvigorating a manufacturing sector that has been abandoned for 
far too long.


        The stakes could not be higher. Unless capitalism opens its arms to the 
common man, then an entire generation will conclude that it is no more than a 
fig leaf for the super-rich.


        That would be a tragedy. For despite all capitalismâ?Ts weakness -" 
despite the flaws, inequalities and hypocrisies that are an inevitable part of 
any human endeavour - it remains the only way to promote real and lasting 
opportunity.


        Other systems have been tried, and they have collapsed in bloodstained 
ruins. Only capitalism - the free exchange of goods, skills, services and ideas 
- has proved itself true to the instincts of human nature.


        Today, we can only hope that capitalismâ?Ts champions learn the lessons 
of history.


        For if they fail, then the results could be too dreadful to contemplate.


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