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REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:33 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Where it's at. You are looking for final answers and there are none. There are just cycles that can be manipulated and controlled through virtuosity. But for virtuosity you need artistry and for artistry you need aesthetics and control over the individual and group patterns of life. You also need help from each other since no one is complete on their own. Capitalism and Western Socialism destroys help through aggressive competition. Neither have any discipline in the Art of time and a very poor ability to understand the problems of aggravation in defining the orders of processes. I think it's a Western mental virus. First, one has to align and balance themselves with the natural systems rather than destroying them for profit. Don't make a fetish of separation and individuation from some supra parental thing and then preach "freedom." Freedom is competence and the ability to make decisions based in the diminution of complexity. It's not just making a theory and "taking a chance." That is simple storytelling. To the West, Individual Freedom and an ensemble or "learning organization" is an oxymoron. Therein lies the problem. Their sensuality is all found in individual interaction and ownership of things and not in organic process and human growth. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:10 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] Where it's at. Ray: The problem is still the design of large generic systems that benefit the entire planet and not just a small group. What's so hard about that? Me: It's been tried, Ray, many, many times, but it just doesn't seem to happen. For some reason, enlightened ideas always seem to lead to crumbling utopias. The idealism of Marx, Engels et. al. somehow led to the brutality of Stalinist Russia and, more recently, to the state capitalism of China. Adam Smith, the Classical Economists, the Austrians and the Chicago School were brilliant economic thinkers, but their thought has been used, perverted perhaps, to support a system in which the few are very rich and the many are mired in poverty and degradation. International agencies established for the greater good of all humanity -- the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, etc. -- are made to serve particular interests or are shoved into corners from which they are unable to serve anybody with any effect. I don't know what can be done about it. Religion perhaps, though not the kind that makes people throw their hands in the air, shout halleluiah and ask some grand pseudo-being to help them keep doing what they're doing, but the kind that builds a morality that brings people together and tells them that they must not cheat their fellow-man or use him to boost their own advantages. Could it happen? Will it? I'm a pessimist, but I won't abandon hope. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Harrell <mailto:[email protected]> To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Where it's at. What is it about economists that they can ignore the basic system of capitalism that separates wealth to small groups at the expense of the larger group? What is happening now is the normal thing for capitalism. What capitalism needs is balance by other domains of society to curb it's immorality. When capitalism buys the society or kills the intellect of the society through mere sensual object relations and the refusal to teach the young then the society withers. The problem is still the design of large generic systems that benefit the entire planet and not just a small group. What's so hard about that? REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:22 AM To: [email protected]; 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: [Futurework] Where it's at. For a thorough posting on the state of the American economy and the causes of the present crisis, look at: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-abou t-2011-10?op=1 Is it accurate? I don't know, but it is very interesting. Ed _____ _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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