Harry,

At 17:36 14/10/2011, you wrote:
Most likely direction, I suspect, is inflation, for this will relieve some of the pressure (at the expense of most people's pensions and small nest eggs).

Yes*. Since the Quantitative Easing of 2008, recent retirees in this country with employer-contributed pensions (whose funds usually invest quite heavily in government bonds) already receive something like 10% less in real income, and basic state pensioners (whose pensions are inflation-indexed once a year in arrears) have lost about 4% of income each year. The latter's pensions are made up once a year so they only lose bite sizes -- just like index-linked public service pensioners. In their case, the inflation doesn't compound in the same way as private pensions. In 10-15 years' time most of private pensioners will receive less than the basic state pension. And that's only assuming that the present inflation rate (about 5%) hasn't increased, which is most unlikely. As our present Chancellor is about to unleash yet another bout of QE then it's highly likely that inflation will compound further and, in about 5 years' time, about three-quarters of all pensioners in England will be receiving something similar to a basic state pension which, today, barely pays for food, rent and heating. The remainder (public service pensioners), keeping up in real terms with their original pensions once a year, will be comparatively well off. Clever civil services in all advanced countries! They made sure that they would be well looked after retirement, whatever stupidities the politicians and central bankers got up to by way of money-printing.

Revolutionary potential? I'd say! In a few years' time the present Wall Street riots will be seen as tea parties in comparison.

(*Something approaching 2 million people in this country have bought Premium Bonds, the monthly government lottery, which pays about 1.5% p.a. in winnings (£1 million is the top prize -- Treasury officials know how to attract punters!). Two people I know, otherwise intelligent, have bought £30,000 worth of PBs, the maximum allowed. On average they receive winnings of £25 a month with a £50 win every year or two. But every time they have a win of £25 they are also losing about £50 from the real value of their 'investment' (that is, £600 a year!). I've tried to explain this to them but they won't have it!)

Keith



Also, as they cause it they can take a stance against it, claiming to fight inflation on our behalf.

Guess I'm getting cynical as I get older.

Harry
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Keith Hudson <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
At 13:27 14/10/2011, Ed wrote:
Great ideas, but what are the chances of any of them being implemented? Not very good, I'd say.

I agree. Besides, a lot of this is just retribution. A few dollops of retribution is no bad thing and I wouldn't mind seeing more than a few bankers and city traders in the stocks or breaking rocks but Matt Taibbi's suggestions don't really answer to the really serious underlying trends. One is that most advanced (money-printing) governments and their (excessive credit-making) sidekicks, the banks, are now deeply in debt and there's little prospect of any recovery from this unless there's superabundant economic growth (based on what?), or taxation over many years or high inflation. Another is that we're now moving into a far more specialized world than ever before with a consequent yawning skills gap between the value-adders and the rest. Also, because of automation we're moving into an economy which simply doesn't need so many adult workers. Yet another is that we're all becoming largely locked into a dense urban way of life with a standard repertoire of consumer goods. In short, the last 300 years of the industrial revolution has now come to an end and an altogether new type of society and government has to emerge.

Keith




My Advice to the Occupy Wall Street Protesters











Hit bankers where it hurts











by: Matt Taibbi









Protesters with the 'Occupy Wall Street' movement demonstrate in New York.

Spencer Platt/Getty Images

I've been down to "Occupy Wall Street" twice now, and I love it. The protests building at Liberty Square and spreading over Lower Manhattan are a great thing, the logical answer to the Tea Party and a long-overdue middle finger to the financial elite. The protesters picked the right target and, through their refusal to disband after just one day, the right tactic, showing the public at large that the movement against Wall Street has stamina, resolve and growing popular appeal.

But... there's a but. And for me this is a deeply personal thing, because this issue of how to combat Wall Street corruption has consumed my life for years now, and it's hard for me not to see where Occupy Wall Street could be better and more dangerous. I'm guessing, for instance, that the banks were secretly thrilled in the early going of the protests, sure they'd won round one of the messaging war.

Why? Because after a decade of unparalleled thievery and corruption, with tens of millions entering the ranks of the hungry thanks to artificially inflated commodity prices, and millions more displaced from their homes by corruption in the mortgage markets, the headline from the first week of protests against the financial-services sector was an old cop macing a quartet of college girls.

That, to me, speaks volumes about the primary challenge of opposing the 50-headed hydra of Wall Street corruption, which is that it's extremely difficult to explain the crimes of the modern financial elite in a simple visual. The essence of this particular sort of oligarchic power is its complexity and day-to-day invisibility: Its worst crimes, from bribery and insider trading and market manipulation, to backroom dominance of government and the usurping of the regulatory structure from within, simply can't be seen by the public or put on TV. There just isn't going to be an iconic "Running Girl" photo with Goldman Sachs, Citigroup or Bank of America – just 62 million Americans with zero or negative net worth, scratching their heads and wondering where the hell all their money went and why their votes seem to count less and less each and every year.

No matter what, I'll be supporting Occupy Wall Street. And I think the movement's basic strategy – to build numbers and stay in the fight, rather than tying itself to any particular set of principles – makes a lot of sense early on. But the time is rapidly approaching when the movement is going to have to offer concrete solutions to the problems posed by Wall Street. To do that, it will need a short but powerful list of demands. There are thousands one could make, but I'd suggest focusing on five:

1. Break up the monopolies. The so-called "Too Big to Fail" financial companies – now sometimes called by the more accurate term "Systemically Dangerous Institutions" – are a direct threat to national security. They are above the law and above market consequence, making them more dangerous and unaccountable than a thousand mafias combined. There are about 20 such firms in America, and they need to be dismantled; a good start would be to repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and mandate the separation of insurance companies, investment banks and commercial banks.

2. Pay for your own bailouts. A tax of 0.1 percent on all trades of stocks and bonds and a 0.01 percent tax on all trades of derivatives would generate enough revenue to pay us back for the bailouts, and still have plenty left over to fight the deficits the banks claim to be so worried about. It would also deter the endless chase for instant profits through computerized insider-trading schemes like High Frequency Trading, and force Wall Street to go back to the job it's supposed to be doing, i.e., making sober investments in job-creating businesses and watching them grow.

3. No public money for private lobbying. A company that receives a public bailout should not be allowed to use the taxpayer's own money to lobby against him. You can either suck on the public teat or influence the next presidential race, but you can't do both. Butt out for once and let the people choose the next president and Congress.

4. Tax hedge-fund gamblers. For starters, we need an immediate repeal of the preposterous and indefensible carried-interest tax break, which allows hedge-fund titans like Stevie Cohen and John Paulson to pay taxes of only 15 percent on their billions in gambling income, while ordinary Americans pay twice that for teaching kids and putting out fires. I defy any politician to stand up and defend that loophole during an election year.

5. Change the way bankers get paid. We need new laws preventing Wall Street executives from getting bonuses upfront for deals that might blow up in all of our faces later. It should be: You make a deal today, you get company stock you can redeem two or three years from now. That forces everyone to be invested in his own company's long-term health – no more Joe Cassanos pocketing multimillion-dollar bonuses for destroying the AIGs of the world.

To quote the immortal political philosopher Matt Damon from Rounders, "The key to No Limit poker is to put a man to a decision for all his chips." The only reason the Lloyd Blankfeins and Jamie Dimons of the world survive is that they're never forced, by the media or anyone else, to put all their cards on the table. If Occupy Wall Street can do that – if it can speak to the millions of people the banks have driven into foreclosure and joblessness – it has a chance to build a massive grassroots movement. All it has to do is light a match in the right place, and the overwhelming public support for real reform – not later, but right now – will be there in an instant.

This story is from the October 27, 2011 issue of Rolling Stone.
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