"Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren" is a good starting point.
Keynes made the same point with more precision 15 years later in a letter
to T. S. Eliot and a couple years before that in a Treasury Department
memorandum on full employment after the war.

http://econospeak.blogspot.ca/2009/08/skidelsky-on-keynes-and-queens.html

Here's how Keynes biographer Lord Skidelsky summed up the relationship
between the earlier essay and the later letter:

My final section can best be introduced by quoting from a letter Keynes
> wrote to T.S. Eliot on April 5, 1945: "The full employment policy by means
> of investment," he wrote, "is only one particular application of an
> intellectual theorem. You can produce the result just as well by consuming
> more or working less" (CW, XXVII, p. 384).
>
> To make sense of this mysterious remark, one has to go back to Keynes'
> essay, "Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren," first read to
> Winchester schoolboys in 1928, or even further back to G.E. Moore's Principia
> Ethica, the bible of his youth and the source of his ideas about the good
> life. Economics, Keynes always insisted, is only useful if it can get us
> over the hump of scarcity, as quickly as possible, into the realm of
> plenty, when man would confront his "real, his permanent problem--how to
> use his freedom from pressing economic cares ... to live wisely and
> agreeably and well" (CW, IX, p. 328). "The full employment policy by means
> of investment" is Keynes' method of accelerating through the barrier. From
> this perspective, the mass unemployment of the interwar years was not just
> the result of a random collapse of confidence, but the precursor of what
> can happen to rich societies that fail to make adequate preparations for
> the good life which wealth makes possible.
>
> It is typical of Keynes that he should have returned to this vision during
> the war itself, as soon as it became clear that the Allies would win. The
> core of it is contained in a memorandum he wrote on May 25, 1943, entitled
> "The Long-Term Problem of Full Employment." He saw three phases after the
> war. In phase I, which he thought might last five years, investment demand
> would exceed full employment saving, leading to inflation in the absence of
> rationing and other controls. In this phase, the emphasis should be on
> securing a high rate of saving in order to reconstruct the war damaged
> economy. In phase 2, which he thought might last between five and ten
> years, he foresaw a rough equilibrium between investment and full
> employment saving "in conditions of freedom," with the state active in
> varying the pace of investment projects. In phase 3, investment demand is
> so saturated that it cannot be brought up to the level of full employment
> saving without embarking on wasteful and unnecessary programmes. In this
> phase, the aim of policy should be to encourage consumption and discourage
> saving, and so absorb some of the unwanted surplus by increasing leisure,
> with shorter hours and more frequent holidays. This will mark the entrance
> to the "golden age," the age of capital saturation. Eventually, Keynes
> thought, "depreciation funds should be almost sufficient to provide all the
> gross investment that is required" (CW, XXVII, pp. 321-324; also see Keynes
> to Josiah Wedgwood, July 7, 1943, p. 350). It is the age, foreshadowed in
> the General Theory, of the "euthanasia of the rentier," since there will be
> no demand for new capital.
>
> The same objection can raised against this essay in prophecy that was
> raised against Keynes' earlier "Economic Possibilities for our
> Grandchildren": that it assumes that all material wants in the wealthy
> nations will be quickly saturated, and that it completely ignores the
> capital needs of the poor countries. In these respects Keynes was a child
> of his times. He did not foresee that technology would constantly create
> new products and underestimated the ability of advertising constantly to
> create new wants. Above all, he did not foresee the postwar population
> explosion in the developing countries. This factor, more than anything
> else, has rendered his prophecy academic.
>
> Nevertheless, it does raise some pretty fundamental questions about what
> economics is for, as well as the distinctly awkward question of how far the
> peoples of wealthy nations should continue postponing their own "golden
> age" until everyone in the world has caught up with them. What is certain
> is that Keynes would never have worshipped at the altar of GDP. The rate of
> per-capita income growth was only important to him as an indication of the
> speed at which societies were approaching material abundance. Beyond that
> point, he expected that rates of growth would and should slow down. One can
> surmise that he would have had little sympathy for "endogenous growth
> theory" which promises to postpone the slowdown of rich countries, and thus
> the "catch up" of poorer countries, into a far distant future.
>
> My purpose in this paper has not been to enter into an argument with
> Keynes. It has been to show that his thought, from whatever period of his
> life one chooses to take it, is richer, more suggestive, and more
> unexpected than the textbook Keynesianism that still flourishes, or the
> administrative Keynesianism that ruled policy in the 1950s and 1960s. His
> views on the minimum sustainable rate of unemployment and his fiscal
> philosophy still have a great deal to offer governments. His reminder that
> economics needs to retain its connection with the non-economic ends of life
> as these have been conceived by moralists and ethical philosophers remains
> a necessary warning against blind worship of the golden calf, and against
> marketization carried to extreme lengths. So I say: Down with Keynesianism,
> and up with Keynes!



On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Arthur Cordell <[email protected]>wrote:

> Keith see the url below  Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren
>
>
> http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/keynes/1930/our-grandchi
> ldren.htm
>
> Keynes saw the world quite clearly.  He saw a future where we wouldn't have
> create work and worry about unemployment.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:12 PM
> To: Keith Hudson; RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
> Subject: Re: [Futurework] "Efficiency's Promise: Too Go od to Be True"
> "More
> Jobs Predicted for Machi nes, Not People"
>
> Not sure that you have Keynes and Marx right here, Keith.  When I studied
> economics, Keynesianism was still very much the vogue.  I don't recall that
> his solutions were to be applied via the banks or printing money.  Rather,
> the idea was to involve large scale public works etc. when the private
> sector ran out of steam and the public sector had to kick in.  I suppose
> that borrowing and printing money might have been part of this, but it was
> not emphasized.  As for Marx, the ideas were very good, but how would you
> ever do what he recommended.  Well, as Lenin and Stalin demonstrated, the
> state would do it, and in doing it, they would convert a humane idea into a
> horror show.
>
> One of the best books I've read on why good ideas go terribly wrong is John
> Gray's "Black Mass".  If you haven't read it, do take a look.
>
> Ed
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Hudson
> To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION ; Tom Walker
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Futurework] "Efficiency's Promise: Too Go od to Be True"
> "More
> Jobs Predicted for Machi nes, Not People"
>
>
> Tom,
>
> Your previous comments over the years on FW concerning the "lump of labour
> fallacy" caused quite a change of mind in my own thinking, so I was
> interested to read your recent exegesis of the increasing
> automation-joblessness problem on your ecologicalheadstand website. There,
> you contrast the different approaches taken by Marx and Keynes in trying to
> solve the same problem. Here, I'd just like to describe what I think are
> the
> reasons why they both failed.
>
> Marx was writing at a time when factory conditions were still atrocious (or
> at least had been a few years previously according to the out-of-date
> statistics that Engels was feeding him with) and workers (mostly fresh from
> the countryside and highly biddable) were being badly exploited by the
> factory owners (with the exception of a few such as Robert Owen, and some
> of
> the Quakers, etc).  On the whole, though, workers were slowly beginning to
> prosper and, due to gradually improving water and sewage works in the large
> cities, children were surviving in larger numbers and the population was
> expanding at a fast clip. They were beginning to buy modest versions of the
> sort of consumer products that the middle-class were already buying.
> Growing
> production efficiencies were such that a growing demand could be met and
> even if workers were displaced from one factory due to more automation they
> could usually find another job in a factory in a slightly newer industry.
> Note, however, that when Marx was writing none of the consumer goods were
> yet important enough (or pricey enough) that they were transformational
> both
> in their economic effects (the saving of money to buy the goods) and in
> their social use. Within two or three decades, however, workers were able
> to
> buy a bicycle, for example, which enabled them to be much more choosy about
> where they might work for the best wages.
>
> By the time Keynes was writing most of the iconic consumer goods that we
> have today (electrical goods of many sorts, telephone, radio, television,
> car) were already in existence for the enjoyment of a growing middle-class
> (what I term the 20-class of today), but not yet for most of the population
> (what I term the 20-class of today). And they certainly weren't for the
> millions of workers in the industries which had been highly profitable
> (producing highly exportable goods) in the years before World War I. These
> were cotton, coal, ship building, heavy engineering (bridges, railway
> locomotives, etc). These were no longer profitable (or exportable) because,
> although money had inflated three times during the War, the Bank of England
> (then more powerful than the Government) was intent on deflating the pound
> until it was as valuable as the pre-war pound. Many workers' wages in the
> big industries were ground down and owners couldn't get the capital to
> reinstate their machinery, worn-down by the war. Exports were drying up.
> Keynes' General Theory was therefore concerned mostly with how to overcome
> this large-scale unemployment problem rather than to describe an economic
> theory of an economy in equilibrium. Although there was a cornucopia of
> consumer goods that were, in theory, available for millions of workers to
> buy they simply hadn't enough wages (or had none at all) to buy them with.
>
> But neither Marx or Keynes were able to imagine a world in which credit
> would become so widely available as today (or, rather until 2008). By
> 1980/90 or so, not only were workers receiving wages that enabled them to
> buy consumer goods that Marx could never even dream of, workers were able
> to
> get credit for money far beyond anything Keynes could possibly imagine. In
> his day (when he wrote his Theory), the big commercial banks were growing
> so
> fast and so out of control of the Bank of England (or of the Fed in
> America)
> that instead of keeping up to 20% or even 30% of cash in reserve when they
> created credit (to carefully assessed customers) they allowed their
> reserves
> to decline to almost nothing (0% to 2% or 3%) by the time of the 2008/9
> crash, Instead of being constrained to give credit of something up to 3 or
> 4
> times their reserves, they were beginning to give almost unlimited credit.
> And, just to make sure (so they thought) they were all in addition buying
> and selling insurance policies (derivatives) from one another. In Japan,
> America and Europe, the commercial banks felt impregnable until 2008/9 hit
> them (though it hit Japan in 1990). (The small number of investment banks
> were in far better condition because they were clever enough to invent the
> myriad of derivatives with which they conned the high street banks.)
>
> But despite the limitations of their respective theories, both Marx and
> Keynes (geniuses both to be sure) were aware that the very real problem of
> almost total automation of consumer goods still existed over the longer
> term. Who would be able to buy them? It is this ultimate problem which
> neither has been able to solve. Marx's solution (communism) has already
> collapsed, Keynes' solution (government controlled money-printing and
> attempted bail-outs of the banks) looks very much as though it is not
> succeeding.
>
> Keith
>
>
> At 00:11 13/04/2012, you wrote:
>
> An invisible thread connects David Owen's The Conundrum ( "Efficiency's
> Promise: Too Good to Be True") and Erik Brynjolfsson's and Andrew McAfee's
> Race Against the Machine ( "More Jobs Predicted for Machines, Not People").
> Both books address real -- and very important -- problems but they both
> arrive at false conclusions.
>
> The "conundrum," according to Owen, boils down to a lack of commitment
> driven by conflicting motives, "Do we honestly care?" he laments at the
> end,
> citing George Orwell's observation that, "All left-wing parties in the
> highly industrialized countries are at bottom a sham, because they make it
> their business to fight against something which they do not really wish to
> destroy."
>
> Meanwhile, Brynjolfsson and McAfee prescribe the clichéd panaceas of
> education, "flexibility" and entrepreneurship: "Our skills and institutions
> will have to improve faster to keep up lest more and more of the labor
> force
> faces technological unemployment."
>
> continued at:
>
>
> http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.ca/2012/04/efficiencys-promise-too-good-
> to-be-true.html?spref=fb
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Tom Walker (Sandwichman)
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