Greetings, everyone,

This matter of corruption -- and especially corruption of intent -- is 
beautifully laid out in an extraordinary Turkish movie, Takva: a Man's Fear of 
God.  I don't want to give the story away by commenting on it here, but will 
say that it explores this matter deeply and with great authenticity, 
intelligence, and integrity. Plus, it is a riveting movie. Our local library 
has a copy, and so yours may, too. Enjoy!

Lawry




On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Ed Weick wrote:

> Perhaps the only way to be a completely incorruptible person in today's world 
> is to sit on a mountaintop or to isolate oneself in a little stone cell in 
> the depths of a monastery, but even that may not work.  There really isn't 
> much room for purists and  idealists.
>  
> Ed
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Hudson
> To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION ; Ed Weick
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Futurework] There's more there than I thought
> 
> Ed,
> 
> The big difference between corruption of senior politicians and officials in 
> China and that in the West is that the former speak about it openly as being 
> a (continuing) problem while the latter pretend that it only happens rarely. 
> It takes slightly different forms in the two countries. In China, bribes 
> (usually in the form of shares) are given to    close relatives. In the West 
> it's more of a nod to the recipient that if he "helps" someone he'll be well 
> looked after once he's retired. There's nothing truer than the old saying: 
> "Every man has his price".  Even if the price is reputational rather than 
> financial, it is never the case (IMO) that an attempt at bribery is met with 
> indifference. 
> 
> In the present Tory government in the UK it would be my opinion that most of 
> present senior cabinet, including Cameron, plus several Permanent Secretaries 
> (the top officials in civil service departments) have been bribed with the 
> promise of good jobs later (e.g. directorships, consultancies, top jobs with 
> the European Union, etc). In the previous government under Labour, it was 
> more of a case of the politicians 'consolidating' hundreds of key supporters 
> with high salaries and perks in new 'quasi non-governmental organizations' 
> (quangos) which carry out newly-invented civil service type functions. In the 
> case of the previous prime minister, Tony Blair, he's been living off several 
> different streams of income ever since he retired.
> 
> Psychologists tell us that children tell fibs and devise strategies designed 
> to hoodwink others from only three years of age. This suggests that 
> deviousness is built into us genetically. This ability to deceive is 
> particularly necessary in any ambitiousness male not wishing to upset males 
> of higher social ranking (until the right moment to strike comes along!). 
> Sensible governmental constitutions in the future will not appeal to 
> idealistic abstractions but how to make its financial operations as open as 
> possible.
> 
> Keith
> 
>  
> At 15:52 28/11/2012, you wrote:
>> Keith Hudson and I had a brief exchange on the merits of Chrystia Freeland's 
>> "Plutocrats".  Both of us were bored after the first forty pages or so.  He 
>> suggested that I read the concluding chapter and give up on the rest of the 
>> book.  I almost did that but then decided I'd look at the book here and 
>> there and, lo and behold, I've found some interesting things.  Thus far I've 
>> read some of the material on "rent-seekers", plutocrats who capture an 
>> increasing portion of existing wealth rather than producing "value-added" 
>> wealth themselves.  The American and European financial sectors are 
>> outstanding examples.  Working in an environment of decreasing regulation, 
>> many people in the field have become very rich via the invention and 
>> refinement of a large variety of securities and by shifting much of the risk 
>> of doing so onto the public sector, knowing full well that government would 
>> see them as too big to fail and bail them out if things went wrong.  Things 
>> did indeed go wrong in 2008, and with some exceptions like Lehman Brothers, 
>> government did bail them out, imposing enormous costs on the public sector.
>>  
>> I guess those of us who've paid any attention to the economy in the past few 
>> years already knew much of that, but Freeland includes a lot of extra 
>> information and detail that we couldn't have known unless we were 
>> journalists in the middle of it all, as she was.  However, there was one 
>> thing that was new to me in what I read this morning.  That was the role 
>> played by "rent-seekers" in China's conversion from what was supposed to 
>> have been a workers' paradise into plutocrat run state capitalism.  
>> According to Freeland, China is as corrupt at the top as America, Europe and 
>> oligarchic Russia.  I found that rather painful because it wasn't supposed 
>> to be like that.  When I was young and highly idealistic, I followed the 
>> Chinese Revolution very closely and greatly admired Mao Zedong.  Mao was 
>> going to show us all what the world could really be like.  Well, what seems 
>> to have transpired in reality is another road to hell paved with good 
>> intentions.
>>  
>> I'll quit here, but may post more as I read more bits and pieces of 
>> Freeland's book.
>>  
>> Ed
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