Hi Chris,

To try and carry on an intelligent discussion with you is like being
machine-gunned.

I'll confine myself to answering two of your rapid-fire responses from your
message of  02/12/01 +0100:

(KH)
> and many of these
> negotiators will have secret agendas on behalf of corporations. But, by and
> large, the WTO *has* been reducing tariffs, world trade *has* been
> expanding
(CR)
No doubt about that -- but that's the problem...
(KH)
> and even third world countries' populations *have* been
> benefiting. Not by much, it's true -- but they'd be in much worse state
> left to themselves without tariff relaxations.
(CR)
That's the big question.  Where's your evidence (or logic explanation)?

I refer to a recent World Bank Report. Here are some very simple and
transparent figures and if you disbelieve them then I'll give up ever
trying to persuade you by rational argument.

First of all, divide the poor countries in the world into two parts, A and
B. The A countries are those in which the ratio of trade to national income
has risen. (This includes China, Mexico and India, accounting for 3 billion
people.) The B countries are those in which the ratio of trade to national
income has fallen. (This includes countries like Bangladesh and most of
those in Africa, accounting for 2 billion people.)

Since 1980, the per capita income of people in A countries has risen by 5%
p.a. In the same period, the per capita income of people in B countries has
fallen by 1% p.a. (For comparison, the per capita income of people in the
rich countries has risen by 2%. In other words the rich countries will be
caught up by the A countries.)

Let's state the case even more simply. The poverty of most of the world is
due to the persistence of an agrarian economy, continuing reliance on
muscle-power and thus large families and overpopulation, and co-existing
with varying degrees of royal/political/military/religious tyrannies.

The rich (and the soon-to-be-rich A countries) are those in which people
have managed to save and invest money in specialised industries or
services, the products of which they have then traded with others. This is
an immensely difficult task because it involves changing the culture in
deep and wide-ranging ways. It took the first country about 300-400 years
to make this change. It then became successively quicker in other
countries. Nevertheless, it is still a difficult task, and those who
protest against international business corporations (without reference to
the goodies and the baddies among them) and against international trade are
doing a terrible disservice to the remaining poor of the world who
presently live on about 1US$ per day.

Keith Hudson  

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Keith Hudson, Bath, England;  e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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