I am very sorry, I didn't mean to be aggressive. Lo siento, Carmen, de ninguna manera quise ser agresivo. In fact, I carefully read my message again twice and I couldn�t find aggressiveness in it. De hecho, rele� cuidadosamente --dos veces-- el mensaje que reproduces y la verdad no le encuentro lo agresivo por ninguna parte. You said "aggressions", do you find several aggressions in my message or any other than mine is offensive to you? Dices agresiones en plural. �Te parece que en mi mensaje hay varias ofensas o alg�n otro mensaje te molest�? If you find my comments aggressive wait to see what others says to each other in this and other lists. Si te parece agresivo lo que digo, espera a ver lo que se dicen otros aqu� y en otras listas. Saludos desde la ciudad de M�xico Salvador
From: "Carmen Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:43 AM > I can�t stand more agressions. > Bye to all. > Carmen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 1:38 AM > Subject: Ref.: Re: Kisses to you, too! (was Re: Argentina can arise! (was > Re: Argentina down and out) > > > > El Sun, 23 December 2001, "Carmen Lopez" escribi�: > > > > [...] > > Most argentineans are a mixture of Italians and Spanish > > > people. Culturally we are a mixture of andaluces and italians, perhaps > that > > > is why we are "picaros". > > Andaluces???? Are you sure? I thought that most of the spaniard emigrants > to Argentina were gallegos and asturianos (from Galicia and Asturias, north > of Spain). > > > > [...] > > Today I don�t have much to say about my country > > > because as I was exhausted with our awful TV images, I decided to spend > a > > > day out in a country house and try to avoid talking about politics for a > > > while (though it was not possible at all). > > In your message written this morning at 8:45 (sunday!!), that I deleted by > mistake, you said something about the need of a leader in your country, and > about your dissapointment with De la Rua's performance. I've been thiking > about it all day long because I voted for Fox (and against the Partido > Revolucionario Institucional), looking for changes in the goverment and in > the way power had been exerted for almost 100 years in this country, and I'm > also very dissapointed with the results. > > Now I know that we DO NOT need leaders in Mexico and in Argentina. What we > need is leadership. No more strong men, allmightly presidents or caciques, > please. They fail, they are very dangerous. We need stronger groups acting > in all levels and stances of reality, that share power in balance. We need > better politics, with people doing politics from business, the academy, the > arts, the civil organizations, non-goverment organizations, communities, > special interest groups, etc., etc. We need stronger institutions. > > That's something we have to learn from americans. They can afford a > "leader" like Mr. Bush because his power is delimited, balanced, > compensated, by a number of power stances across the society. In latin > american countries presidential power is almost absolute. > > > > > As for kisses, here in Argentina, we are very warm people, even men kiss > > > each other!!!!! I think that is nica to be able to express our feeling > > > freely without taking care of analising them. > > Interestingly, warmth is not part of the stereotype of argentinians > predominant among mexican population. I would say it is the opposite: > argentinians are seen as cool and arrogant. Remember that we had thousands > of refugees (exiliados) from Argentina during the dictadura militar period. > > Of course, kisses are always welcome :-) > > Saludos desde la ciudad de M�xico > > Salvador S�nchez
