Brad,

You make good points.   I came off of the Quapaw reservation to go to school
at the University of Tulsa in 1959.   On the reservation I had recieved good
training in mastery discipline but academic discipline was only to be
learned later.   My first encounter with academic discipline was a professor
of  Government named Conklin and in this very conservative state of
Oklahoma, in this very conservative University he said to his class.   "If I
had my way you would learn about the various systems from people who
believed in them.i.e. you would learn socialism from a socialist, capitalism
from a capitalist and communism from a communist.   Otherwise how could we
make an informed decision?    That seemed logical to me and still does.
But if you want to know that something works or doesn't then you should make
the rules of the test as equal as possible.    That seems like good science
to me but heck, what do I know?   I'm just an artist.

Ray Evans Harrell


----- Original Message -----
From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ray Evans Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: futurework <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Top-down collapse


> Ray Evans Harrell wrote:
> [snip]
> > Cuba does somethings well
> > and others miserably.   I often wonder what they would do well and
miserably
> > if they weren't embargoed but that would be too logical for this
emotional
> > issue.     I don't just England by competition with other systems.
> [snip]
>
> I wonder how well capital-C Communism would have done
> in general had "the whites" not tried to destroy it
> right from the get-go in every way they (i.e., "we") could
> think of.  (There's nothing so good as being persecuted
> to make a person or a group paranoid.)
>
> We will never know.  But surely the world was *a lot* better off for
> having Hitler than a bunch of Reds running Germany
> after WWI!  (This is obvious, isn't it?  And it's a real
> shame that Hitler didn't understand his historical purpose:
> If he had *only* attacked The Soviet Union, "we" would
> probably never have gone to war with him --> But that still
> would not have let the U.S. off the hook, since
> we could only strangle Japan for so long without them
> striking back....)
>
> One of the most "heart warming" books I have read about WWII
> was _The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben_, where I learned
> how "American" corporations did the honorable thing during WWII,
> and refused to let the U.S. war effort use patents they had with
> Germany.  Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!
>
> But, cynicism aside, the lead headline of today's NYT
> Week in Review is a classic:
>
>     The Rich Are Different. They Know When to Leave.
>
> Yes, the rich have learned a few things since WWII, or
> maybe it's just that Italy has always been
> backward -- I'm thinking here of perhaps the most
> admonitory film I have ever seen: "The Garden of the
> Finzi-Continis" (I highly recommend it: It could
> save your and your family's life!).
>
> Cheers!
>
> \brad mccormick
>
> --
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>               that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16)
>
>   Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21)
>
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