---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Warwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [EDTV-Robotics-State-Of-The-Art] Re: I,Cyborg
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Kevin Warwick wrote: > Having just completed a set of experiments based on my March 2002 implant > (direct connection into > my nervous system) the results are first presented in "I,Cyborg". It's now > out in the UK but not yet in > US/Canada. I believe that you can get hold of it via www.amazon.co.uk > though. > I know this is a bit of a book plug No problem. I promote the work of anybody who participates in the lists I moderate and as for the Machine Intelligence list, yesterday we discussed the question of "consciousness" as a kind of control system above the physical level. That will become an important issue in cyborg development, some time in this century. Do we replace that last vestige of biology left in the advanced cyborg, expecting that somehow it contains the consciousness or sentience that makes us who we are, or do we dispense with it? Will "we" even be the decision-makers at that time, as your book, "March of the Machines" (1997) tells us machines, being more intelligent than humans, will ultimately cease being subordinated to humans. I wish we would see a little more imagination in our Ottawa Parliament and that "pro-lifers" like Mr. Breitkreuz would broaden the debate on the "right to life" issues which this country is going to face soon. Good luck with your new book. I enjoyed "March of the Machines". BTW, by the time you evolve into an advanced cyborg, Gary Livick's "Etcetera" robot <http://www.lightwaverobotics.com> will be a much more advanced pure-machine robot. Maybe you will decide to dispense with that last vestige of biological self (or the march of the machines will stage its final coup and force this outcome). That being so, you may see your future self in Etcetera. FWP , but I think the results are of some > importance - extra sensory input, > nervous system to nervous system communication and so on. > Thanks for your time, > > Kevin W. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Party of Citizens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:03 AM > Subject: [EDTV-Robotics-State-Of-The-Art] Macro-Genetic Algorithms > > > > One macro-genetic algorithm would be to have biological creatures develop > > first and then have them replaced by machine-like creatures. Warwick, > > Moravec and others have put forward the notion that our being replaced by > > machines is inevitable. As Professor Warwick puts it, The more intelligent > > will not continue to be governed by the less intelligent. Professor > > Moravec calls these machines with superhuman intelligence who will take > > over, our "mind children". But why should DNA-based life forms be the > > first to emerge from "the dust of the earth"? In this cosmos, with its > > known billions of stars x billions of galaxies, maybe some planet has > > reversed the macro-genetic algorithm. Maybe the machines are now planning > > to build some humans. > > > > The truth is out there. > > > > FWP > > > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Party of Citizens wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, staraxan wrote: > > > > > > > This is not the UFO group. > > > > > > > > So any posts are suppose to relate to human-level or higher > > > > intelligence in machines. In other words, high-level artificial > > > > intelligence. > > > > > > You humans are so easily offended. We Martians have a much superior > sense > > > of humour, also a sign of intelligence. You really should learn to > > > appreciate Martian jokes so that your Earth machine intelligence can > catch > > > up to "Martian Equivalency". Your Turing Test with its "Human > Equivalency" > > > is so bourgeois. > > > > > > Ackkkkkkk! > > > > > > POC > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Party of Citizens > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Aaaaaaaak! Ack! Ack! > > > > > > > > > > That's the old Martian saying: "Reasoning with a human is like > > > > teaching a > > > > > pig to sing. It wastes valuable Martian time and only annoys the > > > > pig." > > > > > > > > > > POC > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, T @ MacT wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > First reaction - I'd probably be furious and want to > > > > > > pull the plug on the machine... But then I'd be > > > > > > curious want to know how they thought, do they have a > > > > > > flaw an illogical logical flaw perhaps that could be > > > > > > exploited? Are they aware of emotions, can they > > > > > > experience them? Even if they were smarter it would > > > > > > only be in some things surely, as everyone is smart at > > > > > > something and no one is smart at everything whether > > > > > > cerebral or physical at everything and machines I > > > > > > would say would be similar to humans therefore... > > > > > > Sorry am digressing but I'd want to know what > > > > > > experiences they had in their intelligence to say they > > > > > > are able to find a solution would this include > > > > > > everything including being two steps ahead for > > > > > > possible future problems that may occur, randomly or > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry you did ask... > > > > > > > > > > > > Tallat Haq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- staraxan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Once a week, I will post a "fun topic" for > > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This week's fun topic is based on a sci-fi novel I > > > > > > > read with humans > > > > > > > that were genetically engineered to be superior > > > > > > > (including superior > > > > > > > intelligence). The genetically superior humans did > > > > > > > not consider > > > > > > > normal humans as worthy of their attention. > > > > > > > Therefore, when having a > > > > > > > scientific discussion or trying to solve a problem, > > > > > > > they would only > > > > > > > talk to other superior humans. They would say to > > > > > > > normal humans the > > > > > > > words, "You are only human, and you can't possibily > > > > > > > contribute to the > > > > > > > discussion." The theory being that only the > > > > > > > superior humans were > > > > > > > smart enough to think of a solution to a problem or > > > > > > > something new > > > > > > > that the other superior humans did not already think > > > > > > > of. Any normal > > > > > > > human could not possibly out think a superior human. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does this relate to machine intelligence and > > > > > > > this week's fun > > > > > > > topic? Well, when I saw this in the novel, I > > > > > > > immediately thought of > > > > > > > applying this same situation to machine > > > > > > > intelligence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ask yourself, what happens when we create machines > > > > > > > who are smarter > > > > > > > then ourselves? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will our machines say to their creators "You are > > > > > > > only human", and > > > > > > > there is nothing you can contribute to a discussion? > > > > > > > Only other > > > > > > > machines of equal high-level intelligence can make > > > > > > > any valuable > > > > > > > contributions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How will you feel when the machines say "You are > > > > > > > only human", and > > > > > > > ignore you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about that, and post your own thoughts in > > > > > > > response to this > > > > > > > thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > Robert Twardowski > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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