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debivort....

Nothing wrong with burkas, Keith -- except that the Western feminist
movement has labelled them oppressive. I haven't heard any feminist say
'Ooooops, maybe we were wrong. Maybe our Afghani sisters really DO like to
wear burkas, in the same way that we Western women have our own clothing
habits, rules and taboos. Hmmmmm," our enlightened feminist would go on to
say, "I wonder what our Afghani sisters say about our high-heels, our
display of skin, our make-up, our tight-clothing.....is it possible that
they don't see, whith all these things, how advanced and sophisticated we
western women are???"



cordell....

I think the issue is choice.  Westerners can wear anything (or nothing, in
many cases) but the the others must wear burkas.  Most Westerners would
find the lack of choice oppresive.  Perhaps some Moslem women as well bridle
at the lack of choice.


> This is particularly so in Saudi Arabia where, indeed, the present Saudi
> royal family came to power by mounting a jihad in 1902 with the assistance
> of the Wahhabi sect, and have been indebted to them ever since.

1922 perhaps?  It wasn't a jihad -- it was a tribal war vs. the Hashemites.
The Saudi tribe WAS Wahhabi -- they didn't do it with the assistance of such
a 'sect'-- it is simply a desert tribal Arabian school of Islam.

And, yes, Wahhabism is a strong social and moral force in Saudi Arabia, and
does stand in variance to modernizing -- meaning, for better or worse --
westernizing forces

Generally, the oil-rich countries -- and not just the Arab ones -- have
tended to become dependent on foreign labor, manual and professional. Oil
revenue money is distributed freely, in effect, to nationals of the country,
and they do not have to do any work. So the nationals become dependent on
the foriegn workers, and fail to develop as a work force of their own. This
is the reality behind many of the symptoms you point to. This is a very hard
nut to crack. Saudi over-spending has left them in debt, and so this pattern
is being severely challenged -- and for simple economic reasons and not
religious ones. Will Saudi Arabia and the others, find a way, despite their
wealth, to evolve a competent diversified indigenous workforce?  This is,
IMHO, the number one issue before them.  I did a detailed study (including a
large public opinion survey) several years ago of this stuation in one such
country (not SA) and was impressed by how hard it was going to be.

With this inmind, I have renamed our thread.

Best regards,
Lawry

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