Burkas predated the taliban and, as was pointed out, now post-date them.

Brad, have you EVER talked with a Muslim woman who wears the burka, or other
veiled or covered Muslim women?

Lawry



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> >
> > snip....snip....
> >
> > debivort....
> >
> > Nothing wrong with burkas, Keith -- except that the Western feminist
> > movement has labelled them oppressive. I haven't heard any feminist say
> > 'Ooooops, maybe we were wrong. Maybe our Afghani sisters really
> DO like to
> > wear burkas,
>
> Not by any means all of them!
>
> Burqas are the outward and visible sign of portable imprisonment.
> Surely you have read about the Taliban not allowing women to
> even leave their houses to see a doctor without a male relative to
> escort them?  Etc.
>
> But the true potential of the burqa has not yet been
> exploited: The Islamic People's Stealth Technology: The Burqa Bomber!
>
> And where there are burqas, the question arises whether the
> infibulators with their razor blades to "perfect what
> nature left not quite finished" can be far away?
>
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> > in the same way that we Western women have our own clothing
> > habits, rules and taboos. Hmmmmm," our enlightened feminist
> would go on to
> > say, "I wonder what our Afghani sisters say about our high-heels, our
> > display of skin, our make-up, our tight-clothing.....is it possible that
> > they don't see, whith all these things, how advanced and
> sophisticated we
> > western women are???"
> >
> > cordell....
> >
> > I think the issue is choice.  Westerners can wear anything (or
> nothing, in
> > many cases) but the the others must wear burkas.  Most Westerners would
> > find the lack of choice oppresive.  Perhaps some Moslem women
> as well bridle
> > at the lack of choice.
> >
> > > This is particularly so in Saudi Arabia where, indeed, the
> present Saudi
> > > royal family came to power by mounting a jihad in 1902 with
> the assistance
> > > of the Wahhabi sect, and have been indebted to them ever since.
> >
> > 1922 perhaps?  It wasn't a jihad -- it was a tribal war vs. the
> Hashemites.
> > The Saudi tribe WAS Wahhabi -- they didn't do it with the
> assistance of such
> > a 'sect'-- it is simply a desert tribal Arabian school of Islam.
> >
> > And, yes, Wahhabism is a strong social and moral force in Saudi
> Arabia, and
> > does stand in variance to modernizing -- meaning, for better or worse --
> > westernizing forces
> >
> > Generally, the oil-rich countries -- and not just the Arab ones -- have
> > tended to become dependent on foreign labor, manual and
> professional. Oil
> > revenue money is distributed freely, in effect, to nationals of
> the country,
> > and they do not have to do any work. So the nationals become
> dependent on
> > the foriegn workers, and fail to develop as a work force of
> their own. This
> > is the reality behind many of the symptoms you point to. This
> is a very hard
> > nut to crack. Saudi over-spending has left them in debt, and so
> this pattern
> > is being severely challenged -- and for simple economic reasons and not
> > religious ones. Will Saudi Arabia and the others, find a way,
> despite their
> > wealth, to evolve a competent diversified indigenous workforce?
>  This is,
> > IMHO, the number one issue before them.  I did a detailed study
> (including a
> > large public opinion survey) several years ago of this stuation
> in one such
> > country (not SA) and was impressed by how hard it was going to be.
> >
> > With this inmind, I have renamed our thread.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Lawry
>
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>
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