I will once more say that sensitive religious folks who are unwilling to say difficult things but can advocate all number of atrocities in polite speech should avoid this post and the next.    It is certainly as offensive as killing a puppy in the desert of Afghanistan, which by the way is something that we do every day in our animal shelters and medical labs.   I don't like nor would I tolerate Osamma Bin Laden or his followers, but it poisons our souls when we lie.    If he is bad for using a puppy for his CBR agents then the greater number of puppies killed by America makes us worse as far as puppies are concerned.  
 
But those of you who don't appreciate that should refer to Lord Russell when he pointed out the Math of the thing during the Vietnam War.   But if you don't want to go there, just skip the rest of it.   
 
For those who wish to explore the truth of the thing as I see it, I would encourage your indulgence and understand that passion is not obscene unless it defies logic.
 
If I seem overly defensive about this just remember that Rushdie had a difficult time of it for simply discussing these things in print.    I don't know how far the Internet is from that in relation to those nutcakes out there.   It doesn't matter who pulls the trigger once the bullet has killed.    What they should remember is that I too have nutcakes on my side and that in my next incarnation I don't want to be responsible for both shooting my mouth off and having someone else literally take revenge for my death on some innocent just because the murderer wasn't available.   So Arthur, that is what it has come down to here.   Is it safe to write this?
 
 

Brad said:
> Have I separated the baby from the bathwater?  Or am I a dupe
> of bourgeois propaganda?  I think you would say the latter.
>

No, I would never judge you in such a fashion.   The life path each person
is led to is always a dialogue between nature, their history and their
intelligence.     I don't even blame the capitalists for being idolaters.
In fact I would not claim the issue at all if it wasn't a part of what they
claim to be their religion and morality.    As Elijah said to the Prophets
of Baal,  "Try a little harder,  maybe it will work if you draw a little
blood or cut something off."     Sound like Enron?    Friedman?   or any of
the other believers in wild markets?

I find it interesting that the Palestinians have now reversed those two old
Jewish myths and one law of the Israeli's themselves.     The first being
David and Goliath (sending a child to give up his life when nothing else
works) and the  second being Jacob's lies to his father for the birthright
(Arafat's "sadness" over the death of Israeli citizens while finding the
invoices for the bombs in his office)   and finally the law of Usury which
defines one law for Israeli's on money transactions and another for everyone
else  (It is the Islamic governments that have now banned Usury in their
stock markets and banking).    
 
It is not what is reality (the Jews are
miniscule in population and effect in the world) but what you can get people
to believe and how much you are willing to sacrifice for your concept of
Nation and Religion. (I am not referring to Israel here but to the "Nation
of Islam".      Remember Tillich's  what you are Ultimately Concerned with
personally in your life is your functional Deity.)

Meanwhile it is helpful to remember what Karen sent about the Sharia in
Nigeria and burying that women up to her neck in sand and then making a game
out of throwing rocks at her head all because she "fucked some guy"  after
she was divorced.   What will rescue her?   The same thing that rescues
religious fanatics here from their idiocy.   Secular Humanism.    I have
deliberately used the vulgar just so we can escape the profanity of the
polite in explaining what this act really is.

To murder someone, as an act of law,  for the act of love is the truly
bourgeois and to explain it as Ultimate Concern is beyond propaganda and
strides bravely into the obscene.     This is not a random act of "fanatics"
but it took a paranoid fanatic Christian, Pat Robinson, to have enough fear
to point this out while the compromised Christian President Bush was
counseling not reading the book.   
 
It shows the failure of will of the
alleged Liberal wing of American polity.   I don't believe the country is so
enamored of conservatives so much as they can't stand laziness and
cowardice.    There is a strong point to be made for Progressive Law and
sustainable development but today's Liberals are either too lazy, afraid or
maybe just too incompetent to make it.    No voter wants to consider
such a person to lead them.    Maybe the reason that Europeans make the
point is that the Neo-Conservatives here call themselves Neo-Liberals in
Europe and the opposition to the Neo-Liberals in Europe hasn't lost its
will and discipline.   On the other hand they may think that they are the
brothers of American Conservatives who never shut up and so they are
acting the part of the opposite.   (strange)

I watched Al and Tipper Gore last night on television and it was painfully
obvious how Anglican Provincial they were.    Gore's training at Saint
Albans was so strong that he had the coat of arms emblazoned across his nose
and poor Tipper runs so far away from her training, as a psychologist, that
she seems as incompetent as Lynn Cheney and less dignified.   No one should
tell Gore to compete with Clinton and Bush as buffoons.   He is not in their
class.    But he is smart and he does have the training and resume.   And he
is most certainly a cut above Bush's sophistication and competence as a
man who knows his way around government.  
 
So
what should he do?    He's no teacher inspite of who hires him.    He should
become the grand old man of liberalism and define the world for progress in
this century.    Give up the Presidency and give his intelligence a chance
to find out just how deep it is.   Either way he would open doors for
others.   Mike Moore can't, because artists are never taken seriously.
Even world class ones.    Let the future talk about the idiot pundits who
destroyed a first class opportunity for a salary and political Media games.
But if he is to make them look like fools he will have to prove that they were
idiots for ignoring his intelligence.   That means a sacrifice.   The same that
every great American Composer makes when he gives up composing and
teaches undergraduates.

Remember the story about what was wrong with that required book on
Islam in that North Carolina University?    It wasn't that it was the Koran.
It wasn't the Koran at all,  it was an apologetic text that was "politically
corrected".      Pat Robinson pointed out that it was the Prophet himself who
murdered a woman for the exact same act of taking a lover, as men
functionally do on a regular basis with their multiple wives.   The world
will remember that Robinson got it right on that one even though he does
believe the world is less than 10,000 years old.    Fundamentalists are
warriors and they sometimes get it right when you are under attack.

Our Fundamentalist Cherokee women would castrate anyone and skin 
them alive for doing such a thing as the Holy Prophet did to that daughter 
of the Clan Mothers.    One could then have seen how he compared to the
Rabbi Akiva stories.    But he obviously picked his victim carefully as
to avoid such a fate. 

We should remember that  since the break-up of Yugoslavia
no one has invaded the Slovenes in the same way that
they did the other Yugoslavian states either.    Slovenians have the
reputations for being educated professionals but they, like the Cherokees
are a mountain people, who scared the Fascists and Nazis enough for them to
limit reprisals during WW II.     There would be no eye for an eye or knocking
down houses amongst these people.     Like the Cherokees, if you caused
the death of a member of another Clan that Clan owed a life whether
man, woman or child.   My daughter is half Slovenian, the jolly half, and 
my father installed a refrigeration plant that the Anti-Tito forces didn't want 
so they blew it up with him in it.   My Cherokee father understood what he 
had to do while recuperating.    Get out of the country as quickly as 
possible.    
 
During the war, if the partisans caught an enemy, especially an enemy 
that caused a death of a woman, That MAN he would be turned over to the
women who would have given him a chance to show his bravery for the
murderous act by skinning him alive and using a lot of salt to cauterize the
wounds.   I knew an Italian who refused to deal with the Slovenes during the
war.    He was terrified of their women.  The Slovenes aren't Muslem but
Roman Catholic.

The same was true of our women as well.    My point in all of this is that a
return to fundamentals whether, Christian, Jew or Moslem could prompt a
return to fundamentals in all of the other groups as well that have entered
into a Mutual agreement not to exercise provincial law.     
 
Barbarism is
both simple and fun, although filled with genuine waste and grief.    But no one
wants to give up the game of Barbarism.    If we give up our barbarity then
the big three in the Middle East must pledge to do the same.    They do have
a lot to give up.    Just read their books.    The Christians like to play nice
but read what happened to the couple who didn't speak the truth about the
money they gave the early church.   It said simply in the translation I have,
"God took them."     God only knows how that happened.    Perhaps they are
the reason the Bishops wear that Mythrian hat.    It may have been their
blood instead of the Bull.   This is not arguing religion.   It is simple history
and is available if you are willing to look.    No one gets off and we all will
defend our own if another group decides to make the Universe a mirror image
of their own souls.

Frankly I don't find a scholar like your self bourgeois.    Why do you
accept the judgment of those old fanatics Marx and Engels who used
slanderous name calling  as a way of gaining power?    That made their
descriptions as suspect as their current students of propaganda the
Neo-conservative right wing in the US.

Ray Evans Harrell

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