Ray Evans Harrell wrote: > Chris, > > - CH extradites war criminals to The Hague; IL is governed by one. > > > > So the statement you quoted above is rather inappropriate... > > wish it were true! > > No the Israelis are governed by a professional soldier just like George S. > Patton.
No, a _professional_ soldier knows the rules of war (including Geneva Conventions) and doesn't violate them all the time. > If you don't like that leadership then you have to come up with some > alternative. Your statements offered none. Bragging is no substitute > for discussion but maybe it translates differently into Swiss. You asked me a question (on parallels CH--IL) and I answered it. I was merely listing some facts. If facts sound like bragging to you then I'm sorry for you. Maybe you prefer lies in NYC, but then you don't have to ask me questions. > Surely you did not mean to compare your history with a nation that was > kicked, shoved, spat on and treated as "murderers of God" by the > Christian Swiss as much as the rest of the world for 2,000 years did you? Your question (and thus my answer) was about Israel, not about the Jewish people/"nation". That's a crucial difference, especially considering how badly Zionists have treated Jews in the past (such as asking the Swiss gov't to send Jewish refugees back at the border). And no, giving Jews a safe haven while they were being persecuted in the surrounding countries is NOT "kicking etc. as much as the rest of the world"! > Also, could you really mean to equate the first fifty years of a new > national government with the maturity of a government that has made peace > with its neighbors? What was the first 70 years of Switzerland like? The first 70 years of CH (1291-1360) certainly didn't consist of driving millions of natives off their lands and killing many of them, nor of state terrorism, bulldozer wars, curfews with shooting on sight, etc. Nor did any other 70 years of CH history. > What was the first 70 years of Switzerland like? > I know what it was here because we were a part of the scapegoat for the > ills of the country. Yeah right, CH invaded America 1291-1360. Talk about scapegoats. > Also my point is that even with peace they still stock their food in the > basement and demand universal military membership. "Well there is > peace but guard the door!" What's wrong with defense in its literal meaning ? (and how would the world look if all countries would behave like this?) I think the problem is with countries who _mean_ attrition but _call_ the ministry/department "of defense". > Consider the following: > > Chris, Brad, there are some other important differences. > 1.. When were the Swiss forced to leave their native country and wander > as a culture for 2,000 years? > [etc.] Your point seems to be that Israel's behavior is justified by the history of the Jewish people. That's wrong, and fortunately, intelligent and progressive Jews agree that it's wrong. See e.g.: http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/images/resources/jew2jew.pdf http://www.cactus48.com/OriginMSW%20.pdf > 7.. When were lies told about Swiss Bankers profiting from the death of > captive populations? Quite often recently -- just listen to Ed Fagan. (who was now dropped by Jubilee2000 because he told too many lies) I'll clip the rest of your misinformed rants. I could care less about people parroting such nonsense, but the problems start when people think they can derive special rights from such nonsense, and trample on the rights and lives of others based on that nonsense. If humanity is to survive, it will have to drop this millennia-old religious crap and start addressing _today's_ problems (environmental and social). Progress, please! Especially on a list called FutureWork. Chris (for the record, my first name was not chosen based on religion, but inspired by the name of composer Christoph W. Gluck)
