These folks live a very insular life. The mix only with one another. Many
only read something if it is biblically related. Often they do not take a
news paper.

Hey, could someone e-mail me when the Florida voting results come in?
[:>)}

Bill Ward
Tampa, FL

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:08:21 -0400 "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Karen, it wasn't me that wrote. I believe it was William Ward, who 
> made a
> very  interesting point about the focus on the afterlife. I recall 
> that
> focus when, as a kid, I lived in a German Baptist immigrant 
> community in
> rural Saskatchewan. It wasn't that the here and now was unimportant. 
> It was
> just that everything one did in it was about getting to the 
> hereafter -
> merit and demerit points for eternity - with God keeping score. The 
> more one
> stoically suffered the vagaries, persecutions and indignities of 
> life on
> earth, the more certain one was of being endowed with God's grace 
> and
> getting to  heaven.
> 
> I'm certain that my own little fundamentalist community was not the 
> only one
> that saw the world that way, and I've sometimes wondered how that 
> kind of
> perspective has infused itself into the North America outlook - how, 
> despite
> our much greater sophistication, it still informs how we behave and 
> divide
> the world into good and evil.
> 
> Ed
> 
> Ed Weick
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Watters Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "William B Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Keystone Cops reappear in Florida
> 
> 
> > Bill, I just finished reading about Florida Voting Disaster, the 
> sequel.
> > Sorry to hear it.  Really.
> > (see 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62468-2002Sep10.html.
> > Karen
> > Ed wrote: I would guess that you have hit the nail on the head. 
> The USSR
> was
> > brought down with fax machines. I have spent a lot of time with 
> the
> > Christian right. When we lived overseas, we would have a lot of 
> visitors
> > of such ilk who realized that we did not watch their every move 
> and
> > phrase the way that their coreligionists did. We also found these
> > individuals to be very sincere and very caring but unquestioning 
> as you
> > mentioned. We spent a year and a half going to an 'end of the 
> earth'
> > church here in Tampa because the 2 foster teens living with us new 
> a
> > bunch of people there. I do feel that their focus on the afterlife 
> has a
> > lot to do with their failure to examine the here and now.
> >
> >  > Bill, I still have the impression that the Old Guard advising 
> le
> > > dauphin
> > > Bush were not completely aware of the power of the internet and 
> the
> > > changing
> > > communication environment since they last had been inside the
> > > Beltway.
> > > There is today a much greater public appetite for openness in
> > > government,
> > > following on Watergate, but also from the tell-all books and
> > > punditry that
> > > has proliferated since Reagan-Bush.
> > > It's almost as if they underestimate the press and the public's
> > > ability to
> > > disseminate information that is presented to them by their
> > > leadership, as if
> > > they lived in CEO vacuums oblivious to what the voting and
> > > pension-building
> > > public had become.
> > > On the other hand, if your voting base is a group of 
> conservatives,
> > > many of
> > > them apostolic Christians who believe in the Bible literally 
> down to
> > > the
> > > commas, then they are presumed to be much more trusting and
> > > accepting of
> > > authority and top-down diktats.  Therefore, if you motivate 
> your
> > > base to
> > > outnumber your opposition, that's all that matters.
> > > Which brings us back to the voting booth: like so much else in 
> life,
> > > half of
> > > success is just showing up.
> > > Karen
> > > Karen quoted:
> > >
> > > "information from foreign informants have concluded they cannot
> > > validate two
> > > prominent allegations made by high-ranking administration
> > > officials:
> > > links between Hussein and al Qaeda members who have taken refuge 
> in
> > > northern
> > > Iraq"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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