To reinforce Arthur's point and, at the same time, refer to a recent post of
my own, it is doubtful that the department of Education would sponsor a
study to find out whether or not competition damages children.

Selma


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> Perhaps.  But I think that  " human curiosity, refined and compounded
> over the generations" is that thing or set of things which is allowed by
the
> prevailing culture.  So coming up with something  at odds with cultural
> biases (say quality of life is inversely related to GDP) will not be
funded,
> will not be taken seriously while something else  which ties in with the
> prevailing orthodoxy (say quality of life is positively related to GDP)
will
> be funded, will be paid considerable attention (maybe a spot on CNBC),
etc.
>
>
> arthur
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Weick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:05 PM
> To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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>
> > Agree with Brian, and so does "Albert"
> >
> > "It is theory that decides what can be observed." (Albert Einstein)
>
> But must theory, especially about something like the nature of the
universe,
> be based on ideology as opposed to human curiosity, refined and compounded
> over the generations?  In my previous posting, I used the term
> "anti-ideological" which is how people like Copernicus and Galileo were
> perceived by the ideologues or, more properly, theologues of their time.
> However, neither C or G set out to attack or destroy anything.
> Curiosity-driven, they wanted to get to the truth.  That may be possible
in
> economics, and I used the example Kahneman and Tversky in my previous
> posting.  Yet it is far more difficult in economics because one is dealing
> with phenomena that are mostly untestable and unprovable, except within
the
> carefully postulated bounds of their assumptions and first principles.
>
> Ed
>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian McAndrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:41 AM
> > To: Ed Weick; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [Futurework] Re: Not ideological (was More crap again)
> >
> >
> >
> > At 9:39 AM -0500 12/20/02, Ed Weick wrote:
> > >Keith, I didn't mean to imply that you were an ideologue.  And I do
have
> to
> > >back off a bit and agree that not all economics is ideologically based.
> >
> > Hi Ed,
> > Show me the economics that is not ideologically based. Who wrote it?
> > An infallible human being? Ray's posting of Rupert Ross' thoughts on
> > Aboriginal language showing that their ethics shaped  their concepts
> > of justice and education should cause us to experience a 'full stop'
> > re universal truths.
> > Your initial intuitions to this thread were accurate (IMHO) except
> > for the 'crap'. I would call it, literally, non-sense.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Brian
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