Harry, I doubt that what I sent is nonsense, and I think that making sure that people not learn about these things is part of the "war effort." But certainly it is legitimate on your part to argue that the facts are wrong, if you have sources that you trust more.
I wonder though, why you think that you have to ridicule me, or give me instructions from on high because you don't agree with what I sent. Why not just delete it? Believe it or not I don't have the highest respect for the kinds of things you keep posting daily. But it never occurred to me that I have to teach you not to waste my time. I just delete nonsense. Why don't you take that easy way? I might sin again and send something to the list. Devorah Devorah Kalekin-Fishman, Dr. Rer. Soc. Faculty of Education University of Haifa Haifa, Israel 31905 Tel.: +972-4-8249357 Fax: +972-4-8240911 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Additional phone: +972-4-8123605 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "devorah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Fw: [mothers4peace] Fw: [PAJU1] A Timely and Powerful Statement! > Devorah, > > Complete fiction that can be handed around to true believers to mutter > about over their gums. > > The Red Cross said after the nights bombing - 200 injured. > > The Iraqis reported 3 dead and 200 injured. > > This idiot said "Now, a great many of those people are dead, burned in > their homes and on their streets." > > It is amazing how few people have been hurt in the destruction of Saddam's > architectural empire. > > This. perhaps because the bombing has been at night - deliberately to > ensure minimum harm to people. I suppose the writer hasn't noticed how > relatively untouched the people of Baghdad are. The lights are on and the > people seem to be going about their business. They seem to have come to a > conclusion that the Americans are bombing Saddam and not them. > > This is not to say that people are not going to be killed. The Republican > Guard and the young thugs are part of the Saddam "family". They live or die > according to the health of Saddam. There was a report this morning from the > troops that they are occupying hospitals and firing. > > So, the American troops are in a quandary. If they fire back, they may harm > patients. There will be a lot of this. I suppose the writer will whine > about Americans when he should whine about the legacy of Saddam's reign. > > So, Devorah, I have no idea why you thought this nonsense was worth > disseminating. It's purpose is to inflame passions with lies and has just > enough connection with reality to make it's dubious point. However, if you > enjoy inflammation - here's some. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "It is difficult to establish the exact date when the beheading of women > campaign began in Iraq. Witness accounts report the public beheading of > women from June 2000 through to May 2001. Saddam's Fidayi conduct the > beheading operations, which take place in two stages. > > Accompanied by the leaders of the Ba'th party, the Fidayi make a night raid > on the district. The latter is gone through with a fine tooth comb to > eliminate any hints of revolt and in order to discover any weapons. The > population is summoned for the next day at prayer time. > > They arrive at the stated hour at the home of the victim, who is dragged > out in the clothes she is wearing. She is then stretched out on an iron > bench, her head hanging down, in front of her children, her family and the > whole population of the district. The executioner and his assistants are > dressed in brown bearing the logo *Saddam's Fidayi* and usually do not come > from the district or the region. The Feddayi detailed to carry out the > beheading takes his sword held out by an assistant and cuts the victim' > head off. According to the scenes described, the head is exhibited or the > body and the head are thrown into black boxes and taken away." > > How's that for some good inflammatory stuff. > > It is important to know about the Fidayi. They are in every Saddam's > private army, a para-military reporting directly to him and not through the > army chain of command. There may be anything from 40,000 to 60,000 of them > and their fortunes depend directly on the fortunes of Saddam. > > They are the Iraqi involved in the heavy fighting for bridges that is > taking place at this moment. > > Harry > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Devorah wrote: > > >Devorah Kalekin-Fishman, Dr. Rer. Soc. > >Faculty of Education > >University of Haifa > >Haifa, Israel 31905 > >Tel.: +972-4-8249357 > >Fax: +972-4-8240911 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Additional phone: > >+972-4-8123605 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Z.N.Dibsi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "M4P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Desert Rescue" > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sp" > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:21 PM > >Subject: [mothers4peace] Fw: [PAJU1] A Timely and Powerful Statement! > > > > > > > Please Read and Forward! > > > > > > Make copies and distribute at the demo today so that as many people > >receive > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I Am the Terrorist > > > By William Rivers Pitt > > > T r u t h o u t | Perspective > > > Friday 21 March 2003 > > > > > > The city of Baghdad, founded in 762 A.D. under the name Madinat > > > as-Salam - 'City of Peace' - is this day a lake of fire. The opening > >stage > > > of the Bush administration's "Shock and Awe" attack plan began as night > >fell > > > on Iraq, and lived terribly up to its terrible name. CBS news is > >reporting > > > that great swaths of residential neighborhoods within Baghdad have been > > > engulfed in flames. One can trust, perhaps, the ability of a cruise > >missile > > > to hit a bullseye from many miles away. One cannot be so precise in > > > predicting which way the resulting fires will blow. > > > > > > In the great earthquake in San Francisco in 1906, people were not > > > killed so much by the shaking. They were killed by the firestorm that > >sucked > > > the air from their lungs and reduced them to ash before they could flee. > >So > > > it seems to be today in Baghdad. > > > > > > Baghdad is a city of 5 million people, half of whom are under the age > > > of fifteen, most of whom are too poor to flee. Now, a great many of those > > > people are dead, burned in their homes and on their streets. > > > > > > The American television media provided all of us with a Dresden-eye > > > view of the attack. Huge mushroom clouds bloomed from the streets as > > > buildings blazed and fell. The thunder of the explosions was so loud that > > > television speakers became distorted with the sound of the concussion. > >The > > > sky lit up as though the sun was rising. It was a fitting image, for a > >new > > > day in world history has dawned. > > > > > > Much has been made of the precision of our vaunted arsenal of bombs > >and > > > missiles, as if they can go into a building and find the second door on > >the > > > left before they explode. The truth is far more dire. When a B-2 bomber > > > drops a 2,000 lb. JDAM munition, everyone and everything within a 120 > >meter > > > radius is instantly killed. Anyone within a 365 meter radius risks severe > > > shrapnel wounds. To be totally safe, one must be 1,000 meters away from > >the > > > epicenter of the explosion. Imagine how many homes can fit into 1,000 > > > meters, and never mind the firestorm. > > > > > > American Marines have died securing petroleum facilities, and in a > > > helicopter crash. If Iraqi forces do not surrender soon, American forces > > > will attack Baghdad from the ground. The loss of life among our people > >will > > > grow exponentially if a Stalingrad-style fight unfolds in Baghdad and > > > Tikrit. On Tom Brokaw's CBS News broadcast, the father of one of the > > > soldiers killed in the helicopter crash held a picture of his son to the > > > camera and shouted, "Take a look, Bush. You killed my only son." > > > > > > Those who stand against this attack are dunned as "Not supporting the > > > troops." One might suggest the best way to support troops is to see them > > > brought home safely. One might also suggest that support continues after > > > the shooting stops. This does not appear to be on the agenda for the > > > Republican Party. A vote along party lines today in the House Budget > > > Committee slashed $9.7 billion from veterans disability compensation > > > programs, as well as from other programs. These cuts, pushed through the > > > committee by the majority-holding Republicans, are part of the plan to see > > > Bush's new $1.57 trillion tax cut through. Wave that flag, George. > > > > > > Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld, when asked by a reporter whether the > > > Iraqi people would cheer Americans after this attack, stated that > >Baghdad's > > > civilians would welcome us. This defies known history in Japan and > >Germany > > > and Vietnam; those populations, after absorbing saturation bombing, > >hardened > > > their resistance. American television purported to show Iraqi civilians > > > cheering a soldier who tore down a picture of Hussein, but a Sky News > > > reporter walking Baghdad's streets reported that, to a man, everyone he > > > spoke with spat hatred and derision for this American attack. > > > > > > On September 11th, I sat in numb horror as the images of carnage > > > unfolded before me on the television. On that day, I was the victim of > > > terrorism, along with every other American. Today, I sit in numbed horror > > > as more carnage unfolds. Hundreds of massive missiles have rained down on > >a > > > city far away, killing indiscriminately among the young, the infirm, the > >old > > > and the innocent. My government did this. My nation did this. My > >leaders > > > did this. Today, I am the terrorist. > > > > > > So are you. > > > > > > There is no justification for this attack. Saddam Hussein and his > > > forces had been effectively disarmed by the first Gulf War, by the UNSCOM > > > inspections, and by the more recent UNMOVIC inspections. According to > > > Hussein Kamel, son-in-law to Saddam Hussein whose comments to the UN in > >1991 > > > were recently reported in a buried Newsweek story, Iraq was pretty much > > > disarmed of mass destruction weapons even before the first war. The Bush > > > administration, in pushing for this war, has foisted lie after lie after > >lie > > > upon the American people and the world. The world didn't buy it, but they > > > weren't dependent upon lapdog media sources like ours for their data. > > > > > > We are the terrorists now, stupid underinformed terrorists who dance > >to > > > the tune of a corporate media machine that will profit wildly from this > > > attack. NBC, MSNBC and CNBC are owned by General Electric, one of the > > > largest defense contractors on earth. They will be paid handsomely in > > > military contracts because of this, as they always have been. Yet GE > >gives > > > us the news we need to understand what is happening. > > > > > > Americans are not often afforded the opportunity to witness a war > >crime > > > live on television. Today's actions bring to mind a war crime from a > > > generation ago: The shooting of a prisoner by Vietnamese General and > > > American ally Nguyen Ngoc Loan. General Loan put a pistol to the head of > > > this bound prisoner and blew his brains into the street, an image that > > > millions of Americans saw after it had taken place. We are here again > > > today. The poverty of the Iraqi people leaves them bound, unable to > >escape > > > the wave of steel. We have blown their brains out. We have incinerated > > > them in place. We will continue to do so, and you can watch it from your > > > couch. Today, you are the terrorist. > > > > > > So am I. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times bestselling author of two > > > books - "War On Iraq" (with Scott Ritter) available now from Context > >Books, > > > and "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," available in May 2003 from Pluto > > > Press. He teaches high school in Boston, MA. > > > > > > Scott Lowery contributed research to this report. > > > > > > � Copyright 2003 by TruthOut.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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