My goodness Brad,   You are particularly transcendant today.

REH


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From: "Brad McCormick, Ed.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Futurework] new book + Book that needs to be written


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I guess it always gets back to the cause of the first cause: What gets
the
> > mind to physically change the brain.
>
> I would prefer to put is this way: "Why do we
> ask 'What causes the mind to physically change the brain?'",
> whereas persons in some other culture might
> ask 'How do we molify the spirits?'", or whatever.
>
> Peoply simply cannot get cancer in a society
> that has not constructed a taxonomy of
> illness something like ours.  The people in such
> a culture might find their bodies inhabited by
> angry spirits, but they don't get cancer.
>
> Or let me try this the other way around: How do
> persons who have not come up with our idea
> of cancer get the cancers we think they get --
> FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW?  Even in our own society,
> as recently as 100 years ago, we keep saying that
> people died of breast cancer or some other
> cancer but they didn't know it.  Well, they did
> think *something*, and *that something*
> was important in their lives as they lived those
> lives.
>
> But let's get closer to home: Persons in our
> society tend to believe that managers and
> employees exist.  Persons tend to treat
> this difference as seriously as differences
> from the mathematical sciences of objective
> nature.  If persons didn't think this way,
> people like Marx and Foucault might
> have had to find different ares of research
> (e.g., Freud's first love: worms).
>
> So what?  At lesat part of teh "so what" is
> for persons to appreciate that they are
> shapers of their world and not just instances
> in it.  I admit that my childrearing makes
> me especially sensitive to this, since the
> reality of my parents and tor-mentors was,
> for me, miasmic.  I hasve previously written
> how I "saw a light" when I read in Kuhn's
> _The Structure of Scientific Revolutions_, that
> old sscientific theories die, not because their
> adherents get converted to the new theory, but
> because they all DIE without being ablt to
> recruit members of the next generation to carry
> on their work.  THe thought that the
> miasmic incubus world(?) of my social
> milieu of origin would eventually all be dead
> and gone was indeed, as last, a breath of
> fresh air -- a small opening in the
> unrelieved DENSITY of that form of life.
>
> For persons to see themselves as transcendental
> subjects of experience rather than as objects
> in the object world, seems appealing to me.
> I try to offer this vision to others, in the
> belief they have generally not been childreared and
> schooled to know about it, and that at least some
> might find it an *appealing* transfiguration of their
> experience of life -- sort of like giving
> Ptolemy Mount Palomar....
>
> "Yours in discourse [which constitutes our experienced
> world, even if in the existentially
> self-confuting form of constituting it
> as something 'not constituted by us']...."
>
> \brad mccormick
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Selma Singer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:24 PM
> > To: Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [Futurework] new book + Book that needs to be written
> >
> >
> >>From what I can gather from the reviews, Schwartz and Begley make a very
> > different argument; they appear to be saying that the mind is an entity
of
> > its own that can physically change the brain; from there, it seems they
get
> > to the free will issue.
> >
> > Selma
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brad McCormick, Ed.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Selma Singer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Futurework] new book + Book that needs to be written
> >
> >
> >
> >>Selma Singer wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have just ordered the book *The Mind and The Brain* by Jeffrey
> >>>Schwartz and Sharon Begley.
> >>>
> >>>Has anyone read this? I found the reviews particularly interesting in
> >>>that he argues that we can use our minds to change the wiring of our
> >>>brains. Apparently he has considerable evidence from his work with
> >>>Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
> >>>
> >>>Apparently he brings in all kinds of interesting stuff about free will
> >>>in regard to this newly discovered information from his studies.
> >>
> >>I'm waiting for a book titled:
> >>
> >>     _The brain in the mind_
> >>
> >>which would detail how contemporary schooled Western persons
> >>constitute the notion of *brain*, and also manage to
> >>*believe* that the mind is in the brain (like Medieval
> >>persons used to believe in God, etc.).
> >>
> >>\brad mccormick
> >>
> >>--
> >>   Let your light so shine before men,
> >>               that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16)
> >>
> >>   Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21)
> >>
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