It's a very mixed soup. What are we talking about? Race? Hardly. Ethnicity? Maybe. Religion? Perhaps. Identity? Probably. History? Very likely. I have Black friends from Jamaica who pride themselves on both their Iboe (Nigerian) and Irish ancestries. Go to Sao Paulo and see if you can tell who came from where. Where would you draw the line that separates the equalities? We are all genetic composites and accidents that somehow got put together over the millenia. I was once black but am now white. Should that bother me?
Ed Weick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: RE: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice in the job stakes > I was responding more to Keith's remarks. > > More and more I am coming back to the notion of separate but equal as one > way to deal with racial divisions. But this time it is for real. > > Note that I too have known discrimination and hatred. I too have been able > to blend into the larger society. Cordell is an all American name. My > father thought it would give us a better chance in the anti-semitic society > he lived in when he changed the family name from Cohen to Cordell. > > arthur > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert E. Bowd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:14 AM > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice > in the job stakes > > > Good Morning Arthur! > > Just so that I do not misunderstand, does your remark refer to Keith's > response, or Ray's? > > As much as I respect Keith's contributions to the list, I have to thank Ray > for sharing his anguished experience of subordination. I have had contact > with AIM activists, and Black activists in the 70s, along the way, and > nothing in Ray's remarks is in conflict with their shared experiences. I > would only comment to Keith that emotion, too, is also a way of knowing the > world. I could comment further, but I choose not to. > > Bob Bowd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:53 AM > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice in > the job stakes > > > > Tough stuff, but hard to disagree with. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keith Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:21 AM > > To: Ray Evans Harrell > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice in > > the job stakes > > > > > > Ray, > > > > At 22:57 25/06/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >God, this just gets worse. I don't have time to read this shit. Harry > > >were you here in 1954? Keith did you ever experience Apartheid or > > >Segregation? > > > > Oh dear, you do get carried away don't you? I could take offence at some > > of the immoderate language you so frequently hurl at Harry and me. Why > > don't you keep to facts instead of being carried away by your emotions? I > > confine most of my emotions to my nearest and dearest and working > > colleagues because I haven't a great deal more to spread around. (And nor > > has any other normal person either.) If more West Indian- and African-born > > UK male citizens in England also confined their emotions to their nearest > > and dearest, and looked after their wives/girl friends and children > instead > > of abandoning them to the state as soon as possible, then so many of them > > wouldn't be occupying our prisons and more people could walk the streets > in > > our cities without being mugged. They came here in order to share our > > prosperity but, *generally*, they can't cope with our particular type of > > culture and the skills that are required for middle-class-type > professions. > > (But, just to make sure you understand me correctly, there are plenty of > > white trash, too -- yes, even in our welfare state with equality of state > > schooling for all -- "high quality" too, according to our Labour > government > > -- who also abandon their wives and children and mug old people in the > > streets.) > > > > Please listen to me. I believe in complete equality of legal rights and > > opportunities for black, white, yellow, male, female, rich, middle class > > and poor. Got it? But people are different. Different races of mankind > have > > different physical, emotional and mental characteristics and, *generally*, > > best live in different sorts of cultures. In terms of western-type society > > in which you and I happen to live, whites are more adept than > > African-derived blacks, and Asians are more adept than whites.(We already > > have two or three Indian billionaires in this country who were thrown out > > of Uganda by Amin 30 years ago and stripped of their possessions. Also, I > > have not heard of any poor adult Chinese person in this country -- and I > > wouldn't mind betting that there are none in San Francisco either.) The > > prejudice of whites against blacks in this country is as nothing compared > > with the hatred and trouble between Hindus and Moslems in our northern > > towns, or Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland, or Walloons and > > Flemings in Belgium, or the different tribes in Africa where they > regularly > > slaughter one another in their hundreds of thousands (somewhere between 2 > > and 4 million in the Congo alone in the past few years), and we and our > > newspapers hardly mention these incidents because our emotions are > limited). > > > > All races and cultures are capable of the grossest savagery and murder > but, > > otherwise, different races and cultures are manifoldly different in their > > daily lives. Not totally. But different enough for us to take notice and > > discuss each situation intelligently without sounding off and denying what > > actually happens in the real world. > > > > Keith Hudson > > > > > > Keith Hudson, 6 Upper Camden Place, Bath, England > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
