Right on, Ed!!!! Selma
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice in the job stakes > It's a very mixed soup. What are we talking about? Race? Hardly. > Ethnicity? Maybe. Religion? Perhaps. Identity? Probably. History? Very > likely. I have Black friends from Jamaica who pride themselves on both > their Iboe (Nigerian) and Irish ancestries. Go to Sao Paulo and see if you > can tell who came from where. Where would you draw the line that separates > the equalities? We are all genetic composites and accidents that somehow > got put together over the millenia. I was once black but am now white. > Should that bother me? > > Ed Weick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:18 AM > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice in > the job stakes > > > > I was responding more to Keith's remarks. > > > > More and more I am coming back to the notion of separate but equal as one > > way to deal with racial divisions. But this time it is for real. > > > > Note that I too have known discrimination and hatred. I too have been able > > to blend into the larger society. Cordell is an all American name. My > > father thought it would give us a better chance in the anti-semitic > society > > he lived in when he changed the family name from Cohen to Cordell. > > > > arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert E. Bowd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:14 AM > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice > > in the job stakes > > > > > > Good Morning Arthur! > > > > Just so that I do not misunderstand, does your remark refer to Keith's > > response, or Ray's? > > > > As much as I respect Keith's contributions to the list, I have to thank > Ray > > for sharing his anguished experience of subordination. I have had contact > > with AIM activists, and Black activists in the 70s, along the way, and > > nothing in Ray's remarks is in conflict with their shared experiences. I > > would only comment to Keith that emotion, too, is also a way of knowing > the > > world. I could comment further, but I choose not to. > > > > Bob Bowd > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:53 AM > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice in > > the job stakes > > > > > > > Tough stuff, but hard to disagree with. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Keith Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:21 AM > > > To: Ray Evans Harrell > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [Futurework] Please listen to me! ( was: Another injustice in > > > the job stakes > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > > > At 22:57 25/06/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > >God, this just gets worse. I don't have time to read this shit. > Harry > > > >were you here in 1954? Keith did you ever experience Apartheid or > > > >Segregation? > > > > > > Oh dear, you do get carried away don't you? I could take offence at > some > > > of the immoderate language you so frequently hurl at Harry and me. Why > > > don't you keep to facts instead of being carried away by your emotions? > I > > > confine most of my emotions to my nearest and dearest and working > > > colleagues because I haven't a great deal more to spread around. (And > nor > > > has any other normal person either.) If more West Indian- and > African-born > > > UK male citizens in England also confined their emotions to their > nearest > > > and dearest, and looked after their wives/girl friends and children > > instead > > > of abandoning them to the state as soon as possible, then so many of > them > > > wouldn't be occupying our prisons and more people could walk the streets > > in > > > our cities without being mugged. They came here in order to share our > > > prosperity but, *generally*, they can't cope with our particular type of > > > culture and the skills that are required for middle-class-type > > professions. > > > (But, just to make sure you understand me correctly, there are plenty of > > > white trash, too -- yes, even in our welfare state with equality of > state > > > schooling for all -- "high quality" too, according to our Labour > > government > > > -- who also abandon their wives and children and mug old people in the > > > streets.) > > > > > > Please listen to me. I believe in complete equality of legal rights and > > > opportunities for black, white, yellow, male, female, rich, middle class > > > and poor. Got it? But people are different. Different races of mankind > > have > > > different physical, emotional and mental characteristics and, > *generally*, > > > best live in different sorts of cultures. In terms of western-type > society > > > in which you and I happen to live, whites are more adept than > > > African-derived blacks, and Asians are more adept than whites.(We > already > > > have two or three Indian billionaires in this country who were thrown > out > > > of Uganda by Amin 30 years ago and stripped of their possessions. Also, > I > > > have not heard of any poor adult Chinese person in this country -- and I > > > wouldn't mind betting that there are none in San Francisco either.) The > > > prejudice of whites against blacks in this country is as nothing > compared > > > with the hatred and trouble between Hindus and Moslems in our northern > > > towns, or Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland, or Walloons and > > > Flemings in Belgium, or the different tribes in Africa where they > > regularly > > > slaughter one another in their hundreds of thousands (somewhere between > 2 > > > and 4 million in the Congo alone in the past few years), and we and our > > > newspapers hardly mention these incidents because our emotions are > > limited). > > > > > > All races and cultures are capable of the grossest savagery and murder > > but, > > > otherwise, different races and cultures are manifoldly different in > their > > > daily lives. Not totally. But different enough for us to take notice and > > > discuss each situation intelligently without sounding off and denying > what > > > actually happens in the real world. > > > > > > Keith Hudson > > > > > > > > > Keith Hudson, 6 Upper Camden Place, Bath, England > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Futurework mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Futurework mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
